The SHOA Budget Committee has prepared the Draft Final 2021 Budget for Board
action, with features as summarized below. All major amenities are retained.
Capital Reserve contributions are restored to full Reserve Study amounts
(Threshold level). At the October 17, 2020 Board meeting, the Trustees selected
Newman CPA to perform the audit and restored an emergency water wagon to
the budget. This revised memo reflects those changes.
Revenue, Offset, Rollovers
• Operational Offset: Increased to $150,000 ($130,000 in 2020) to account
for expected miscellaneous revenues. Revenues from real estate transfer
fees and increased RV storage fees are included.
• Rollovers: Several program areas are expected to spend under budget in
2020. Estimated rollovers for Patrol, Carbon filter media replacement,
Association & CRC activities, and training show as a combined credit to the
budget. Total = $87,100.
Operational Expenditures
o Staff wages: 3% wage increase + additional for some staff to achieve
wage comparability. End of year bonus = 1% of wages. One time award
of 1% of wage for certifications earned.
o Business Office: Includes Business Manager salary; removes General
Manager salary. $25,000 decrease from 2020 budget.
o Administration, Audit: Board selected Newman CPA, $30,000. $30,000
decrease.
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o Water Department O&M: Includes Water System Manager / Field Superintendent wage.
o Water Dept. O&M: $25,000 for consultations. $5,000 increase.
o Water Dept. O&M: $40,000 for 1 Carbon media replacement. $35,000 decrease.
o Common Property, Lakes: $15,000 for property maintenance, tree removal. $3,000 increase.
o Patrol: $91,000 for deputy cost as per new Pacific County contract. $15,656 increase.
Capital Improvements and Reserve Fund
o Sep 30, 2020 Capital accounts balance = $1,323,976 (55% of fully funded)
o Business Office & Water Dept.: Computers: $5,000
o Water Dept.: Replace reservoir ladders: $20,000
o Water Dept.: Chlorine enclosure: $20,000
o Water Dept.: Water System Plan update: $25,000
o Water Dept.: Emergency Water Trailer: $8,500
o WTP repayment continues: $65,682 (year 4 of 5)
o SELP prepayment: $34,000 Final payment, $29,000 in 2022. Construction starts 2021.
o WMR contribution: $167,417 (full Reserve Study amount)
o Annual Reserve Fund contribution: $150,765 (full Reserve Study amount)
2021 Budget Summary
➢ Operational: $1,235,373 ($1,386,782 in 2020) (-11%)
➢ Capital: $496,364 ($343,016 in 2020) (+45%)
➢ Total: $1,731,737 ($1,729,798 in 2020)
➢ Member fee: $633. Same member fee as 2020.
92 comments:
looks like they are doing a good job keeping cost down.
You crack me up!
Good thing we’re making money on escrow accounts and RV storage! Helps the bottom line, but against our articles of incorporation!
Maybe we can have lower dues next year by collecting all those fines on lighting and noise. Or, get enought money for another Clancy study, another water teailer or even a food trailer. I think we should also have a charge for parking an rv on a lot. Charge by the size. We can make all kinds of money.
Yes, you and JoAnne are right. Since I'm an owner here, I need to pay for our bottom line and keeping our reserves as high as possible year over year. We need to focus on making money? Then we can spend more. Then we can fine ourselves more. Then we can spend more.
It is good to see a return to a Business Manager that is a saving of 25,000.00 ^0,000.00 is better than the 85,000.00 we were spending on that loserReber. With that saving, we can buy two more water trailers and park one on J Place by the deLeest's.
Let's buy a Wolfe campaign trailer for Clancy too. After Wolfe gets elected, he and Clancy can use it as a Wolfe satellite office.
Yes I hope you all vote for Driscoll, he"ll straighten out all Wolf's screw up"s.
It doesn't matter. Clancy would do the same thing with whoever it is. He'll suck up to Driscoll too if he can. And none of them will resist the money from Surfside. It's Surfside's fault. Others on the board like Williams would probably play that game just as much as Clancy if Clancy wasn't around.
read an article on Wolfe....he is all about fraud, no wonder Clancy likes to help him out.
google wethegoverned.com and you can read it too
I did. I have. I also found fraudulent activities by local Republicans too. As long as special interests like Surfside are willing to toss money around they'll all swim in the swamp.
Surfside needs to return to being just a HOA and not a small city government. A water trailer? Really? $100,000 chipping machine? Surfside doesn’t need to provide everything for everybody! Just keep properties unkept and not unsightly and most people would be happy!
Which candidate was it that said that complaints and fines should continue because members would use that as an excuse to not comply? Nice attitude toward your fellow members. You will make a good fit with the rest of the no-compassion elite Board. The world is falling apart and they still want to get out there with their lassers. In my opinion, they can stick those lassers...you know where. These people make me sick. This is the kinds of things that give us the bad reputation we deserve. These creeps have no shame or compassion. Disgustion.
Not sure, I will have to watch it again. Was so hard to watch with the sound problems. Too much control in too few hands.
So the 34205 J pl tree cutting at members expense of 3200, to Clancy's buddies, K&I, is because they have not paid taxes since 2015. I have been after the board and the office for an answer for 3 months. Why couldn't they come clean?
So did the HOA put a lien on it? Is it going up for auction? Is Clancy got his hands on it now?
Whats the real scoop.... how many lies will we be told
So when Clancy sells his home, will the HOA come after the new owners for his illegally built shop, per CCR'S? He did the same crap over on 357th when he lived there
Joanne, I submitted 5 questions and none were asked. Very frustrating the board can have 4 hr plus meetings, yet candidates get 12 minutes
Mine were not asked either
91k Deputy
@1:43, yep, ridiculous! This was all Clancy getting us the contract. He is trying to make Wolfe look good by saving the county money and getting Surfside to fully fund a deputy, which the board was dumb enough to go along with. Add in his water trailer idea, and BAM, he just cost us homeowners a 100,000! Bend over my friends.
Which Clancy address has the illegal shed? I'll submit a complaint later today.
The “shed” on I street does not match the material of the house. Was he granted a variance?
That question isn't part of the complaint form.
Does anyone know if his "shed" is larger than 10'x12' or taller than 10'?
If you would read the covenants it states only ATTACHED garages will match the home. It does not state anywhere that your accessory buildings have to match your home, even when the lots are combined, which his are.
We have the same thing, on an adjacent lot not connected does not have to match. Good Grief, if you're going to accuse someone at least make an effort to read the damn covenants
Isn't Clancy violating the covenants by being such an %^$^&&%$^^%!
Since Clancy's meets covenants, even though its a white trash eyesore on the westside, guess it's a moot point. Funny, that tin porn storage shack is taller then allowable trees.
Has anyone seen or been introduced to our new Barney Fife? J place needs patrolling
So is it a storage shed or a garage? Storage sheds are to be only 120 square feet and 10 ft tall. Garages and carports are to be if the same material as the house. So which is it?
Clancy is like a festering sore on this HOA.
If you have combined lots with a residence you have an accessory building up to 1200 square feet. If you have no residence 10x12 is the largest size allowed. If you have a residence you can have up to 3 10x12 storage sheds as long as they meet the setbacks.
I guess I don’t have a current covenant copy. What page is the 1200 square feet accessory building covenant on?
1:30 is correct, this had been discussed before. It was approved by the Arch Comm and unlike some other board members the plans weren't changed when he had it built. To call it an eyesore is a bit much considering some other properties appearance and that it is close to a pool building and a strip mall.
To 1:30's last point, why let facts get in the way of a rant and insult?
To 4:06:
Since deLeest voted AGAINST the water truck your comment doesn't make any since except to show what kind of person you are.
Good Morning Stumpside!
I wish our community would value the environment. Please acknowledge climate change and the need for trees. Please acknowledge the deleterious impacts of certain lights at night and implement some of the IDA recommendations.
Still have not found the covenant for 1200 square ft building on adjoining property. Please give me the covenant number
1200 sqft accessory building is what the county allows, there is no covenant item that mentions this but since the county allows it is acceptable.
Again the properties need to be co-joined by the county before that type of build is possible. Like Clancy, he has combined the lots into one, therefore he can put up an accessory building. Accessory buildings do not have to match the house.
It's the Clancy covenant. It doesn't have to be documented. Clancy can do whatever he wants. He's our big spender. He's our big liar. He says it wasn't Surfside's fault for not getting county building permits. BS!!! We are the owners of the asset. These agreements and transactions are the ultimate responsibility of the owner of the asset. Try adding on to your house, not getting county building permits or permits from the local jurisdiction, and telling the local jurisdiction that it's my contractor's fault. See what they say. See what your contractor says. When I do work on my assets that require permits, I get all that included in my contract language with the contractor. I make sure the necessary permits are obtained.
What has been a constant on the Clancy warehouse property is non-compliant stacks of building materials and debris. There's no question the structure is homely and industrial, so not really appropriate for the community and the location. So the attitude has extended to the owners disregard of the covenant forbiding long-term presence of building materials and debris in public view.
Great points Cox!
Its in the commercially zoned area, how can it be uglier than that mini mall LOL
Great point 2:41! But that fact won't matter to some.
And I'm sorry but the candidate is right, people will use it as an excuse. There will always be a significant group of members who do ignore the covenants until they get a complaint. That's how it has been here for years, way before Clancy built his place.
Good Evening Stumpside!
Why is Clancy selling? Is it a same situation as chris hansen
The mini-mall looks like any other mini-mall. It's well built and maintained. I don't think there's any reason why the Clancy property would be rated Commercial. New homes have been built on the eastside of I St across the street from the mall.
We're not supposed to own commercial property. We're not supposed to run a business out of our property. Clancy is violating the covenants on that basis.
I find it very interesting that our covenants micro manage every aspect of our lives here, but you can build a 1200 square ft building with no input from Surfside! And the storage sheds are put under a microscope, not even allowing wood or lawnmowers to be covered up. Learn something new everyday!
Clancy pole barn is only structure like that west of ridge & perhaps in all Surfside. We as the board allow this as a reminder to all... WE MAKE THE RULES & CHOOSE WHAT AND WHO WE USE ENFORCEMENT ON.
Looking at the budget and the weekender, am I the only one confused? Please tell me what all these abbreviations stand for. Budget: CRC and SELP. Take a look at how much funding is going to the Water Dept (Mr Clancys area). OK Weakender: PLC. Note that the SELP includes adding 2 vehicles. Didn't we just buy several new vehicles just a few years ago? (same time Mr. Neal conveniently replaced some at NBW). Since the Board says they have overspent the amount of COVID funds they received, what did they spend it on? Lets talk in specifics. The only activity affected was to develop a system to broadcast Board meetings. Instead, they replaced some equipment at the HOA building and Kurt Olds tried to develop a broadcast system. Well, that failed miserably as evidenced by the contract they now had to enter into went into with Charter Communications to do what Olds was supposed to have done with the COVID moneys. Maybe th4e Board should refund that money, or better yet direct it to a place on the Peninsula that actually needs the funds. After all, they have collected over 97% of the scheduled income and we know they would never plan to spend more than they take in, right?
SELP=South End Loop Project
PLC=Programmable Logic Control
WE MAKE THE TREE POLICY! Go cut your trees for protecting views LOSERS!!!
A couple of comments - There's a lot of dissatisfaction with the contract with the County Sheriff, and rightfully so, I think. I reviewed the contract and saw no clear indication of what specifically Surfside is getting. There is no indication that this deputy will have any responsibilities beyond presence in Surfside. Previous contracts required the deputy to be on-call if needed elsewhere on the peninsula. The current contract seems to have him in Surfside 40 hours a week.
And who needs this water trailer ? The BOT seems to ignore the fact that there are only a fraction of the 2025 member households that are fulltime residents. Given the history of constant waterline breaks, most households have addressed the need to keep bottled water on site, as well as the ability to filter water for drinking and cooking. Many fulltime residents have bought household filter systems.
It is unclear where the need is for this trailer, when members have been dealing with this system failure for a decade. Such a water source would also need specific maintenance to assure purity of the water. This is an issue that would have benefited greatly from a community-wide survey of opinion. It is discouraging that the HOA's "efforts" to enhance Board and Business Office computer systems, and broadcast BOT meetings has been so half-hearted, and that community-wide communications do not seem to merit a more serious and broad minded effort.
Enabling the HOA to ask members to participate in community-wide surveys should be a focus. The tired old entitlement of the Board historically, and lack of commitment to transparency and inclusiveness needs to end. Fear that new more progressive or innovative ideas may find their way into the Boardroom is not based on any real threat, but an insistence on total control of the community dialogue. The damage is seen in the minimal election time participation by owners.
Yes, but having us pay for this position makes Wolfe look good! Look at the money the county will be saving!
This water trailer is a joke. Thank you Annette for trying to bring some common sense to this idea! We all should have emergency supplies on hand knowing where we live
The use of the $10,000 Covid money is shameful. We experienced no lose of income during this pandemic. The BOT were bragging last month about all the extra income from the $200 escrow fee and the raised rental fee in the RV park. That money should have gone to a small business, and we have many of them
Lastly I see there is going to be a Christmas wreath class to be held in the surfside business office. 10 people can attend. I’ve wondered for months now why the board has to beet remotely with the terrible way it is acessable and how poorly the sound is. Surely they could easily meet at the office, seat 6 ft apart and have the meeting on zoom or something that makes the members a part of the meeting! No feedback and of course to date no method for members to communicate with each other. We must have open communication between members!
Well because you said so on this blog Cox, it will happen. Good work Cox!
We on the board say NO. WE DECIDE.
8:06 I don't know where you got that information from but you are wrong. The I street area of Surfside is zoned for either residential or commercial, hence the mini mall. You can have a business if you are in a zoned area. Clancy is but he doesn't run a business out of that shop. The houses going in were a choice made by the owner, they could've gone with a business but chose to build homes and resell them.
For board meetings there are too many people, more than 10 that would be in the office if you include the staff that's why they still Webex
11:17 Please tell me what "programmable Logic Control" is and what is it required for. Thanx. If the water folks shut off their engines once in a while maybe we wouldn't be buying new vehicles.
Using a PLC to control water equipment will allow you to operate electric motors, pneumatic cylinders, magnetic relays or solenoids on analog outputs. It can keep track of gallons used or gallons remaining, check flow rates, control other controllers and numerous other applications. PLCs can also communicate over a computer network to a computer running a SCADA (Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition) system or web browser.
Look at that technology. And yet our BOT refuses to abide by WA RCW 64.38 for us members to attend regular board meetings. I can't wait to get out of this s-hole!
WAIT TIL YOU SEE WHO WE USE PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT ON.
Proactive Enforcement
I hear they're considering going by alphabetical order or south to north. They're also considering the amount of fines they can charge. The highest amount of fines would get proactive enforcement first.
The HOA better be careful when they decide to fine a member. A neighbor dispute happened back in July at the board meeting, and said neighbor reported 65 noise complaints. Meanwhile said neighbor went to court to file restraining order, unbeknown to the HOA, who never investigated the said 65 complaints, just took this members word for its she is on tree committee. Long story short, judge ruled in favor of neighbor who supposedly had the 65 complaints. The HOA will be dismissing the $850 said fine.
Our HOA is very litigious. Our dues and assessments don't need to be any more than $500 per lot. We pay way too much.
10:40 I hope the restraining order was against the tree folks. They will get what they deserve - a criminal record.
1:20....It seems unlikely that what you say is true. The only commercial property is the mini-mall, on the westside of the street. When the Clancy steel warehouse building was built, use may have been unestablished, or no one contested the nature of this ugly structure. The issue really is that stacks of material or debris have been lying around on the property for years, and nothing is ever done to mow or maintain the lot.
Only commercial property?? Didn't realize that big structure with a separate pool building was a residence. It seems unlikely that what you say is true.
The hotel is NOT on I Street, and existed before Surfside HOA was formed. What is your point ? The HOA will not be insisting Clancy's building be removed, after approving it many years ago. It IS an eyesore, but is not out of character with the chopped off nature of every tree on I St. The lack of basic maintenance as required by the covenants is NOT okay, but will continue unaddressed because Clancy is a Trustee. Free pass man !! It took Williams many years to clean his adjoining properties of a dozen or more dead trees. But we've gotta get tough with these members ! Proactive enforcement is Soooo urgent.
The hotel did not exist before the HOA was formed...
Which hotel? Is it the WorldMark?
@8:06, Surfside is also in violation for running a chipping business on a residential piece of property . I also find it odd that Surfside does not pay taxes like the rest of us on their properties. Look it up for yourself on the pacific county tax sifter.
@10:26, the restraining order was against the neighbor who filed the 65 noise complaints, which was never investigated by the HOA, they just took the word of the complaining party. Kudos to the judge for seeing through the bullshit. The judge also ordered these nasty neighbors on J place to remove their cameras pointing at the neighbor.
I can hardly wait to see what our dues will be next year. We will not have the sheriff money in reserve like we do this time. so plan on at least 91,000 more plus whatever the costs of the Clancy clown water trailer for upkeep and maintenance.
I don't understand why the Surfside sheriff will patrol all the way over to Joe Johns Rd when that road is not even within Surfside. Why are they benefiting from something we are all paying for?
Another thing I noticed...Why has the east side not been hammered with tree complaints?
Not many of us travel to the eastside, could care less how the riffraff live. Just keep your distance and limit your visits thru our area.
Who's "us"? Most owners use the Compactor/ Recycle site. What a snotty attitude you have. There are many well-kept places and a lot of nice RV sites. It's a totally different area, heavily wooded, so not trying for the sterile lookof much of the Westside. Woods are soooo messy ! My my.
@8:55, I would rather be friends with the Eastside rifraff than you snobs
So, any ideas who to add in for the board? My goal is to not select Williams at all, but even if s few vote for him he may end up with the 4th slot. His bio in the packet is as pathetic as his actions on the board.
If Williams gets the least votes he will get the short term, one year vacancy. In my opinion, best solution
Williams or Tom for the least votes, its a toss up. I can't handle Toms ego attitude more than 1 year
Anyone notice the water trailer cost of 8500 was not even mentioned in the break down of costs for the new budget in the voter pamplet. Where did they hide it?
Why are the trees along the retention ponds not being trimmed to the correct height? Do we only enforce the pine trees and not deciduous trees? Makes no sense
I see George is still protecting his boy Cox's fragile ego some more.
Funny how he can say anything he wants but when someone rebuts it they get deleted. Typical B.S.
Again Cox. The hotel extends down to I as everyone can see so you're wrong.
Of course the HOA will not be having Clancy's building removed because there is nothing wrong with it being there no matter what you say.
As far as it being an eyesore, that's is your opinion, an elitist one at that.
732 & 735 - at least Cox make solid points, unlike yourself.
The idea of equal rules for all left this association over a decade ago. Keep pursuing your naked self interest. Its all you've got.
7:35....I think you have an ugly attitude. Does that make me "elitist" ? Please help clear this up.
The objective of zoning is to avoid incompatible uses on adjacent properties. I doubt that zoning was a consideration when Clancy's building was approved, as it probably was. I don't know what the zoning is, or care. Much of I St. is a disaster of a landscape, mostly due to the lack of living trees, and implementing of tree height restrictions - about 12 ft. in much of that area.
The building undoubtedly limits the use and value of adjacent properties, and by all appearances, is rarely used. Sometimes doing what you CAN do is not what should be done. In a more private setting it wouldn't be an issue, as it is for anyone owning property nearby. It's not my problem, and can't be easily rectified.
Would anyone mind if I built a building just like Clancy?
Someone was commenting that the Deputy's contract is easily afforded by Surfside owners. First, the nation is currently in a serious financial collapse, with no clear path to ending the pandemic. To make assumptions about what members can afford is without basis at this time.
The community has great combined purchasing power, but there are no real indicators of how long the financial crisis will continue, and every reason to spend conservatively and wisely. The community has pledged a half million dollars to this 5 year contract, but as far as I know, there has not been a clear breakdown of what the deputy's duties will be.
In the last contract, the deputy had an office on Sandrich near Longbeach, and was "on-call" for duty anywhere on the peninsula. There is practicality in such a contract, as crime in nearby neighborhoods potentially affect Surfside. If the officer is confined to Surfside, what would they do daily ? A constant daily presence is no assurance there won't be any crimes committed, particularly at night.
Paying so much money for an unnecessary presence seems a very poor use of this County resource, even if we are paying the bill. Some presence is a very good thing, as is helping provide law enforcement for the northend of the peninsula. Wasting this resource on someone with skills and training, leaving them to drive around Surfside all day and whittle alternately, is not a good use of limited funds. We don't know what our future holds financially.
Does anyone know if Tom Rogers is just another Clancy?
Rogers served most of a 3 year term, but resigned in the last months. He dabbles in more progressive ideas, but has tended to be noncommital to any viewpoint outside of the majority line of operation. He is by no means devious and self-serving like Clancy and the rest. He knows that he will be expected to tow the J Pl heavy agenda/law &order b.s., so expect no surprises or interest in going in any new direction. He built a custom home on J Pl. A year or 2 ago.
Thanks for the information Cox.
This will be the last comment under this topic. You can continue your discussions under the new topic "Please!" To save you time jumping around to find the last comments, the comments will be onlu on the current topic. For the most part, the discussions have neen informative. Thanks.
There is obviously no lack of funds, people are purchasing property in Pacific County like gang busters, so who cant afford the 33 per lot fee for the deputy? Second homes over 300k, they can afford it
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