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Thursday, October 4, 2018
Some Good News
Budget note...
It is reported that the Budget Committee, under the Chairmanship of Rudd Turner, will only have a few dollars increase. Rudd Turner and our book keeper, Heidi Larson, our heroes.
Heidi Larson
Board Treasurer, Rudd Turner
42 comments:
Stickbuiltless
said...
That is great news. I don't recall the details, but could it be the extra funds from the water meter project may have compensated an increase or other similar funds and maybe next year we'll see a jump?
The stolen water meter funds were not a consideration in the budget. Those funds went into the operational fund which is used for day to day operations. That dwindling fund has been increasingly hit, mostly for related water activities.
As for a jump next year, that could very well happen. The wild card in that would be large fines and legal fees. That could happen before this fiscal year ends. If that is the case, our operational fund could get a big hit this year.
It would be difficult to budget fines and legal fees without admitting responsibility. It appears there will be fines, but how much, is not yet known. The worry is that the EPA will use Surfside as an example for other water systems.
Remember, the fines and legal fees will be paid for by the members, not the individuals who are responsible for putting us in this position which could have been avoided. Our operational budget provides day to day operation which includes maintenance, compactor and patrol. We will get nothing in return for fines, except an expensive lesson in what you get by not paying attention and demanding accountability.
I am reminded by what our former Water/Field Manager, Bob Haskin said..."You guys are going to wake up one day and say "What the hell happened"" This may be that day.
I don't pretend to know the background and qualifications of Haskins but I do recall many instances of water valves and/or hoses being left on for days or longer in neighborhoods for flushing. Doesn't seem like a lot of expertise but rather another end around of correcting the issues that can plagued us for years.Many of you seem to think that all of our problems would have been alleviated were Bob still here.
Well genius, those spigots that were running (aka test sites) in various parts of Surfside had a huge impact on the overall water quality in those areas and it was a cheap and simple way to keep fresh and cold water flowing to those folks living on dead ends and putting up with poor water quality.
Speak to what you know, otherwise shut your pie hole!
I’m still waiting for an explanation as to why when our new filter system came on line, the water was no longer yellow, but had heavy chlorine. After a very short time water was yellow again n back to way it was before the new filter. What a joke.
Personally, I think that there was a lot of distrust in the CTP plan, and that skepticism has persisted. It is true that the plant was not an instant fix, and the Water Dept. has been trying to work through some issues. We've seen that the yellow tint has returned somewhat, and that the waterheater seems to distill the sulfery-ness, making it more smelly than it was initially, after the plant came on-line.
Before the plant, our place always wreaked of the smell when we had been absent for a couple of weeks, the smell intensifying from water in toilets and sink traps. That doesn't seem to be significant at this point. So I think there has been progress, and feel the situation can and will improve. We continue to filter our drinking water, but use tap water to cook, and don't find the taste to be a problem.
I think that the whole asbestos issue is a separate matter, though various mis-steps call into question competence of management from the BOT down. We have a half-million dollar Carbon Treatment Plant, and may as well remain confident that it can operate more efficiently, after some kinks are ironed-out.
Raymond apparently decided to shut their CTP down. They are a much larger community than Surfside, and the CTP was not large enough to process all of Raymond's water anyway. What we know for certain is that most Coastal communities run into challenges to delivering good water quality.
We don't have any reason to think that Raymond has any answers to our problems or questions. Our Plant has been online about 11 months - hardly an adequate amount of time to draw many conclusions, but plenty to make a lot of assumptions. We may as well remain optimistic.
Raymond shut down because it stopped working so soon n couldn’t afford to keep recharging it to produce clean water. The unit was sized for the community. Sound familiar? Btw, I’m not making assumptions, got it from the horses mouth.
Our water has a sulfur smell also , and we purchased a water distiller about 2 years ago for drinking. It’s to bad we have to have that terrible smelling water. I’m also am very concerned about the asbestos as I’m sure everyone else is. Shouldn’t we get some kind of a discount?
You’ve been getting a real discount all along! Discounted services, below par water, a bunch of clowns running this HOA! The only thing I can see we are getting anything of value out of is the compactor. I, for one, would be happy to pay for my own garbage service if we could abolish this whole flop of a HOA. Please hold your sarcastic rebuttals because I know for a fact many members feel the same way. Just sayin’
The sulfur smell is more than likely from the anode rod in your hot water you can replace it or remove the anode rod. Sulfur and any component thereof is on not in SHOA's raw or treated water.
Your concern of asbestos in the water is not correct. I believe when I was there we tested on an annual basis for floating fibres in the water and it was never a problem.... By the way asbestos ingested is not a problem and would pass on thru with everything else. Only when you breath in the dry and floating asbestos fibres do we have a health concern.
Like others have said, there was a time the water was clear. For the first time I was able to fill the tub completely with clear water. No smell at all from hot water which we had before. Then obviously there was a mis-calculation or whatever with the system and that changed and the color was back along with the smell. This happened to all of my neighbors. Of course the water folks say it is our water heater and that's what's at fault. So explain please how this happening to so many people at the same time is just a heater issue coincidence and not anything to do with the water. How a heater that once smelled then stopped without changing out the anode then starts smelling again. It doesn't add up. Frankly, it smells.
Almost forgot beside the anode rod problem.... There is this thing called sulfur bacteria that may form in your tank and this could be your problem.
If memory serves me correctly you will need to chemically shock your hot water heater to get rid of it .... State DOH water div. maybe able to tell what you need to do
Back to yellow water shortly after filter came on line. During short clear water period, had heavy chlorine smell. Now back like it was before the filter. Either we paid for a faulty system, or a faulty mgmt, or both. I don’t mean just Mr. Neal either.
Please bear with me as there is a reference to dues increase. I have to share the conversation I just had with a tree committee member who was working on closing a height complaint against my neighbor on I street. I had to share my concern about the aesthetics left after a gorgeous tree was completely chopped down and the remainder were butchered to become in compliance with our covenants. I got the typical response of we all signed the covenants and should we just not follow them, etc. She wanted me to tell her how to fix it and I'm not a tree expert, but I suggested the hoa set up or contract with tree companies so we all use the same one(s) with a discounted rate and proper tree care as these trees will just die. I also suggested a thorough review of all the covenants. She asked if I was willing to pay an extra $25 or $30 a year to hire a compliance officer! WTH? That doesn't solve what is happening with the current tree butcher jobs. She then asked if I cared about the J Pl feelings as they pay higher property taxes and decided the conversation was over when I said "I don't give a sh%t about their feelings based on property taxes"! Why does it always come down that? Besides the terrible look of butchered trees, now the wind blocks are being removed slowly. Isn't that the other argument for tree heights is to prevent wind damage? How's that going to work when the wind will have less resistance? I brought this up as well and was told I had plenty of protection on my lot and the winds have been heavy lately. I'm not suggesting anyone not follow the covenants and I'm not suggesting not having tree height limits. What I am suggesting is a more commonsense approach to these trees that are healthy and have been overheight for quite some time. There has to be something that can be done that has nothing to do with hiring compliance officers or calculating how much everyone pays in property taxes to determine the covenants. We all pay the same dues. And I apologize in advance to any of my neighbors that may receive complaints as I have clearly seen someone driving around looking at trees near me as I type this.
If I told Bob Haskins to " shut his pie hole " the comment would never be posted. Must be nice to be on the right side of the blog host. And haven't other employees who flushed been ripped for circumventing the water testing by flushing excessively to meet the State standards? Me thinks you protest too much Bobby.
You make legitimate points that are at the core of this issue. There are no legitimate reasons for continuing this policy, though many of us are open to a modest compromise of a 24 ft. limit to placate those who insist this is an issue.
The claim that views are at stake is baloney. J Pl. views of the surf are blocked by G St. homes, built no further than 8 ft. apart, and the increasing height of dunes. Trees do not interfere with their views, and wouldn't if these restrictions were done away with.
Had the HOA actually cared about esthetics or fairness to all owners, they would have consulted with arborists to establish guidelines for care that could limit heights of Shore Pines, yet not damage the health of the trees. They also would have set the limits higher.
They are famously tenacious trees, and that is why they are common near the Coast. Near the beach they do not grow to their max. height of 30 ft., and generally loose most of their smaller branches along the trunk. They have wispy profiles with little foliage.
Pruning causes branches to grow multiple branches and the trees to become more bush-like, blocking wind and sun from penetrating. Few trees do not exceed 25 ft. when allowed to mature unaltered, including ornamentals, and topping damages ALL trees.
There is no interest on the BOT in taking a rational look at this policy. It is a means of keeping the members under the thumb of HOA authority, and an obsessive/compulsive drive to keep doing this no matter how senseless. It also helps maintain an artificial class or caste system, with the J Pl. and G St. owners at the top. Notice the constant harangue that RVers are lowlife with different standards, unwilling to cooperate.
The dunes have been measured at 27 ft at the highest point, and I can say as an owner of beach property, they are growing visibly each year. As you look back at the community from the top of the dunes, or from the beach, what makes the community look normal are the few existing natural trees on the ridge and at the fringes of Surfside. Why would anyone think that eliminating trees would improve the community ? That's the direction we are going. This policy needs to be seriously altered or eliminated !
There is a big difference between scheduled flushing, and flushing at test point, right before u test. One is good policy, the other is dishonest and harmful to the membership.
But when I was there, everyone knew that we had a long standing problem years before my time that we would have a hard time meeting the upcoming EPA Chlorine Byproduct regulations and requirements. I told Barb when we took those test that we would not pass the new standards and there was nothing I could do to head it off. But that didn't matter I was the fall guy for the fools on the board of trustees.
The Board was aware of the pending by-product issue for years but chose to bury their heads in the sand. In fact, when SHOA upgraded to booster / filter capabilities there was space planned for a large ozone treatment addon to be added at a later date.
The problem for me was the chlorine was a necessary evil for the filtration system to work effectively on the Iron and manganese in our raw water.
But we the water dept had NOTHING to combat the organic matter in our raw water and the converted organic matter after exposure to chlorine.
Our only option was to keep the water as fresh as we could to reduce the contact time that the chlorine had with the water.
The water system has many long dead-end areas which contributed to the poor overall water quality and higher chlorine by-product issue.
The implied message here in the above referenced message is we flushed specific areas prior to testing. This is factually wrong, we flushed the system as a whole, not just in the test areas. It was the only tool we had to get into compliance with the DOH and the EPA.
I was working on a Potassium Permanganate that looked promising in dealing with the organic matter in water prior to it's entry into the existing filters. This would have allowed us to greatly reduce the amount of chlorine used to maintain system residual requirements.
The Atec filters were actually designed to utilize the Potassium Permanganate rather the chlorine. I still believe that this was the way to go but I was meeting some headwinds from a couple people at DOH who butted in with some rather weak excuses as to why my plan for going a new oxidant wouldn't work. I did have the okay from our territory DOH engineer to test this new method out.
This test ended suddenly when I had my surgery for my on the job injury and then my subsequent firing occurred while still out healing and locked out of talking to anyone regarding anything related to my work.
So, I ask you, what would you have done considering what I have just told you and what I was looking at, combined with the rather limited tools we had to work with at the time to deal with the by-product issue.
Bob, I was comparing what u said u had been doing, with what Mr. Neal was doing right before testing at the test point. Was not blaming you at all, the problem with the water was known probably before you took over, and members need to realize that whoever is water manager can make recommendations, but can’t do anything without board approval. Allowing ourselves to be a test site for the current system, was a really bad sign. Now we’ve spent all this money, and SUPRISE! It doesn’t work here either. The best thing the board could have done is to keep you, and take your advise, but board egos wouldn’t allow that.
Again Steve. It isn't just about about the surf. It isn't about the houses. It's about trees higher then that.
And if the post above thinks that tall trees will not cause damage with the high winds then they need to walk by some undeveloped lot or Leadbetter to see the results.
I guess we all need to live in fear that a very healthy tree may someday be struck by lightning because it's over 16 feet? Besides if tree damage is the concern and not the unblocked ocean view, why are the majority of complaints from those on the hill?
11:47.... The trees planted in Surfside are Shorepines that do not grow over 30ft. Ledbetter and surrounding forests have numerous species that can grow over 100 ft. tall. Heights of trees do not make them more dangerous, but trees do fall in large forests. We are talking about Surfside where there have been very few trees blown down.
I've been reading about the Columbus Day Storm. Prior to Hurricane Sandy, the Columbus Day storm was by far the most powerful ever recorded in North America. We can't live our lives in constant fear of harm from unlikely events, or plan our communities around that fear. Obviously, the enormous trees on North Head, where the winds were the most ferocious, were not all blown down.
The structure and strength of a 25 to 30 ft. Shorepine is exceptional, so failure is rare. Caring for trees properly maximizes their good health, and monitoring trees for rot or disease should be routine in a residential area.
I don't know how 10:21 knows who complains, but my guess is they talked to the same tree committee lady I did. She made it quite clear that those on the east side of I street complained about my neighbor's trees and would complain about the others within the month.
On this blog, there are a lot of complaints from the ridge, or one or two people speak for them ALOT. Also the vast majority of complaints are about tree height. I find it very hard to believe anyone else cares. Maybe one or two chicken littles,lol
The shore pines have a shallow root system because the water table is not that deep in most of Surfside. The shallow root system makes the pines more prone to blowing over in wind storms. This condition exists on much of the peninsula. No doubt you have seen the blown over trees with the shallow root systems exposed that have been apparent along our roadways.
I have yet to see a healthy tree come down in surfside. Lived here bout eight years. Don’t bother with that “we had a big storm one time”. I’ve got a few neighbors in ocean woods that the first thing they do is cut down ALL their trees. Trees that had eagles in them for years. Then complain of the wind and blowing dust, because they bring in sand to cover their lots. The difference between those that move hear for nature and those that come here for the cheap price n try to make a buck.
3:20 You missed the storm in 2007 that brought down many trees, healthy and unhealthy trees hit the ground in some cases and shattered with huge broken limbs falling.
You're simply getting the standard reply from the J placers, aka our wonderful Board. Everything you said here makes sense. That's why would they would perceive it as a threat. Scare tactics and threats of higher costs - business as usual in Surfside. Personally, I would pay the extra money for a compliance officer, as the current process is fixed, with too many people with special interests.
1:52 ... People are always bringing up the trees that are so visibly falling down in Klipsan and some outlying areas. Those are not Shorepines, but are commercially grown genetically engineered trees that are 40 feet tall or more, and obviously not a proper fit for the soil.
nice try 10:58. I was referring to shore pines and not the many other varieties of evergreen trees on this peninsula. You don't see as many fallen shore pines with the roots still intact in Surfside because so many of these pines have been trimmed and their root system is not as large as some other evergreens because they don't reach heights of 80 to 150 feet.
No one seems to have witnessed this but you, at least in Surfside. An Alder blew down on the Eastside last year, doing no harm, though it fell by the street. So the constant pruning damages the roots eh ? Your words this time.
42 comments:
That is great news. I don't recall the details, but could it be the extra funds from the water meter project may have compensated an increase or other similar funds and maybe next year we'll see a jump?
no increase....until we get fined and sued. Then there is likely a midyear assessment coming!
The stolen water meter funds were not a consideration in the budget. Those funds went into the operational fund which is used for day to day operations. That dwindling fund has been increasingly hit, mostly for related water activities.
As for a jump next year, that could very well happen. The wild card in that would be large fines and legal fees. That could happen before this fiscal year ends. If that is the case, our operational fund could get a big hit this year.
It would be difficult to budget fines and legal fees without admitting responsibility. It appears there will be fines, but how much, is not yet known. The worry is that the EPA will use Surfside as an example for other water systems.
Remember, the fines and legal fees will be paid for by the members, not the individuals who are responsible for putting us in this position which could have been avoided. Our operational budget provides day to day operation which includes maintenance, compactor and patrol. We will get nothing in return for fines, except an expensive lesson in what you get by not paying attention and demanding accountability.
I am reminded by what our former Water/Field Manager, Bob Haskin said..."You guys are going to wake up one day and say "What the hell happened"" This may be that day.
I don't pretend to know the background and qualifications of Haskins but I do recall many instances of water valves and/or hoses being left on for days or longer in neighborhoods for flushing. Doesn't seem like a lot of expertise but rather another end around of correcting the issues that can plagued us for years.Many of you seem to think that all of our problems would have been alleviated were Bob still here.
Re: October 5, 2018 at 9:03 AM
Well genius, those spigots that were running (aka test sites) in various parts of Surfside had a huge impact on the overall water quality in those areas and it was a cheap and simple way to keep fresh and cold water flowing to those folks living on dead ends and putting up with poor water quality.
Speak to what you know, otherwise shut your pie hole!
Given a choice, I would vote for Haskins over the well driller from hell.
I’m still waiting for an explanation as to why when our new filter system came on line, the water was no longer yellow, but had heavy chlorine. After a very short time water was yellow again n back to way it was before the new filter. What a joke.
I gave up; full filtration for the entire house. No more brown water or sulfur smell.
Thank you SHOA, for making me pay for a service I already have paid for, namely clean water.
Personally, I think that there was a lot of distrust in the CTP plan, and that skepticism has persisted. It is true that the plant was not an instant fix, and the Water Dept. has been trying to work through some issues. We've seen that the yellow tint has returned somewhat, and that the waterheater seems to distill the sulfery-ness, making it more smelly than it was initially, after the plant came on-line.
Before the plant, our place always wreaked of the smell when we had been absent for a couple of weeks, the smell intensifying from water in toilets and sink traps. That doesn't seem to be significant at this point. So I think there has been progress, and feel the situation can and will improve. We continue to filter our drinking water, but use tap water to cook, and don't find the taste to be a problem.
I think that the whole asbestos issue is a separate matter, though various mis-steps call into question competence of management from the BOT down. We have a half-million dollar Carbon Treatment Plant, and may as well remain confident that it can operate more efficiently, after some kinks are ironed-out.
Again, why did it work for so short of a time? Guess I should call Raymond.
Raymond apparently decided to shut their CTP down. They are a much larger community than Surfside, and the CTP was not large enough to process all of Raymond's water anyway. What we know for certain is that most Coastal communities run into challenges to delivering good water quality.
We don't have any reason to think that Raymond has any answers to our problems or questions. Our Plant has been online about 11 months - hardly an adequate amount of time to draw many conclusions, but plenty to make a lot of assumptions. We may as well remain optimistic.
Almost a year with this system and you folks think it is okay to not draw a conclusion that the system sucks. Amazing!
Raymond shut down because it stopped working so soon n couldn’t afford to keep recharging it to produce clean water. The unit was sized for the community. Sound familiar? Btw, I’m not making assumptions, got it from the horses mouth.
Our water has a sulfur smell also , and we purchased a water distiller about 2 years ago for drinking. It’s to bad we have to have that terrible smelling water. I’m also am very concerned about the asbestos as I’m sure everyone else is. Shouldn’t we get some kind of a discount?
Discount? From yourself? Lol
You’ve been getting a real discount all along! Discounted services, below par water, a bunch of clowns running this HOA! The only thing I can see we are getting anything of value out of is the compactor. I, for one, would be happy to pay for my own garbage service if we could abolish this whole flop of a HOA. Please hold your sarcastic rebuttals because I know for a fact many members feel the same way. Just sayin’
Re: October 5, 2018 at 3:03 PM
The sulfur smell is more than likely from the anode rod in your hot water you can replace it or remove the anode rod. Sulfur and any component thereof is on not in SHOA's raw or treated water.
Your concern of asbestos in the water is not correct. I believe when I was there we tested on an annual basis for floating fibres in the water and it was never a problem.... By the way asbestos ingested is not a problem and would pass on thru with everything else. Only when you breath in the dry and floating asbestos fibres do we have a health concern.
I know about the anode thing.
Like others have said, there was a time the water was clear. For the first time I was able to fill the tub completely with clear water. No smell at all from hot water which we had before. Then obviously there was a mis-calculation or whatever with the system and that changed and the color was back along with the smell. This happened to all of my neighbors. Of course the water folks say it is our water heater and that's what's at fault. So explain please how this happening to so many people at the same time is just a heater issue coincidence and not anything to do with the water. How a heater that once smelled then stopped without changing out the anode then starts smelling again. It doesn't add up. Frankly, it smells.
Take out the anode plug the hole and flush the system then complain if the problem still exists
Almost forgot beside the anode rod problem.... There is this thing called sulfur bacteria that may form in your tank and this could be your problem.
If memory serves me correctly you will need to chemically shock your hot water heater to get rid of it .... State DOH water div. maybe able to tell what you need to do
Back to yellow water shortly after filter came on line. During short clear water period, had heavy chlorine smell. Now back like it was before the filter. Either we paid for a faulty system, or a faulty mgmt, or both. I don’t mean just Mr. Neal either.
Please bear with me as there is a reference to dues increase. I have to share the conversation I just had with a tree committee member who was working on closing a height complaint against my neighbor on I street. I had to share my concern about the aesthetics left after a gorgeous tree was completely chopped down and the remainder were butchered to become in compliance with our covenants. I got the typical response of we all signed the covenants and should we just not follow them, etc. She wanted me to tell her how to fix it and I'm not a tree expert, but I suggested the hoa set up or contract with tree companies so we all use the same one(s) with a discounted rate and proper tree care as these trees will just die. I also suggested a thorough review of all the covenants. She asked if I was willing to pay an extra $25 or $30 a year to hire a compliance officer! WTH? That doesn't solve what is happening with the current tree butcher jobs. She then asked if I cared about the J Pl feelings as they pay higher property taxes and decided the conversation was over when I said "I don't give a sh%t about their feelings based on property taxes"! Why does it always come down that? Besides the terrible look of butchered trees, now the wind blocks are being removed slowly. Isn't that the other argument for tree heights is to prevent wind damage? How's that going to work when the wind will have less resistance? I brought this up as well and was told I had plenty of protection on my lot and the winds have been heavy lately. I'm not suggesting anyone not follow the covenants and I'm not suggesting not having tree height limits. What I am suggesting is a more commonsense approach to these trees that are healthy and have been overheight for quite some time. There has to be something that can be done that has nothing to do with hiring compliance officers or calculating how much everyone pays in property taxes to determine the covenants. We all pay the same dues. And I apologize in advance to any of my neighbors that may receive complaints as I have clearly seen someone driving around looking at trees near me as I type this.
If I told Bob Haskins to " shut his pie hole " the comment would never be posted. Must be nice to be on the right side of the blog host. And haven't other employees who flushed been ripped for circumventing the water testing by flushing excessively to meet the State standards? Me thinks you protest too much Bobby.
You make legitimate points that are at the core of this issue. There are no legitimate reasons for continuing this policy, though many of us are open to a modest compromise of a 24 ft. limit to placate those who insist this is an issue.
The claim that views are at stake is baloney. J Pl. views of the surf are blocked by G St. homes, built no further than 8 ft. apart, and the increasing height of dunes. Trees do not interfere with their views, and wouldn't if these restrictions were done away with.
Had the HOA actually cared about esthetics or fairness to all owners, they would have consulted with arborists to establish guidelines for care that could limit heights of Shore Pines, yet not damage the health of the trees. They also would have set the limits higher.
They are famously tenacious trees, and that is why they are common near the Coast. Near the beach they do not grow to their max. height of 30 ft., and generally loose most of their smaller branches along the trunk. They have wispy profiles with little foliage.
Pruning causes branches to grow multiple branches and the trees to become more bush-like, blocking wind and sun from penetrating. Few trees do not exceed 25 ft. when allowed to mature unaltered, including ornamentals, and topping damages ALL trees.
There is no interest on the BOT in taking a rational look at this policy. It is a means of keeping the members under the thumb of HOA authority, and an obsessive/compulsive drive to keep doing this no matter how senseless. It also helps maintain an artificial class or caste system, with the J Pl. and G St. owners at the top. Notice the constant harangue that RVers are lowlife with different standards, unwilling to cooperate.
The dunes have been measured at 27 ft at the highest point, and I can say as an owner of beach property, they are growing visibly each year. As you look back at the community from the top of the dunes, or from the beach, what makes the community look normal are the few existing natural trees on the ridge and at the fringes of Surfside. Why would anyone think that eliminating trees would improve the community ? That's the direction we are going. This policy needs to be seriously altered or eliminated !
There is a big difference between scheduled flushing, and flushing at test point, right before u test. One is good policy, the other is dishonest and harmful to the membership.
Re:October 6, 2018 at 12:49 PM
Not sure where or who this is directed at.
But when I was there, everyone knew that we had a long standing problem years before my time that we would have a hard time meeting the upcoming EPA Chlorine Byproduct regulations and requirements. I told Barb when we took those test that we would not pass the new standards and there was nothing I could do to head it off. But that didn't matter I was the fall guy for the fools on the board of trustees.
The Board was aware of the pending by-product issue for years but chose to bury their heads in the sand. In fact, when SHOA upgraded to booster / filter capabilities there was space planned for a large ozone treatment addon to be added at a later date.
The problem for me was the chlorine was a necessary evil for the filtration system to work effectively on the Iron and manganese in our raw water.
But we the water dept had NOTHING to combat the organic matter in our raw water and the converted organic matter after exposure to chlorine.
Our only option was to keep the water as fresh as we could to reduce the contact time that the chlorine had with the water.
The water system has many long dead-end areas which contributed to the poor overall water quality and higher chlorine by-product issue.
The implied message here in the above referenced message is we flushed specific areas prior to testing. This is factually wrong, we flushed the system as a whole, not just in the test areas. It was the only tool we had to get into compliance with the DOH and the EPA.
I was working on a Potassium Permanganate that looked promising in dealing with the organic matter in water prior to it's entry into the existing filters. This would have allowed us to greatly reduce the amount of chlorine used to maintain system residual requirements.
The Atec filters were actually designed to utilize the Potassium Permanganate rather the chlorine. I still believe that this was the way to go but I was meeting some headwinds from a couple people at DOH who butted in with some rather weak excuses as to why my plan for going a new oxidant wouldn't work. I did have the okay from our territory DOH engineer to test this new method out.
This test ended suddenly when I had my surgery for my on the job injury and then my subsequent firing occurred while still out healing and locked out of talking to anyone regarding anything related to my work.
So, I ask you, what would you have done considering what I have just told you and what I was looking at, combined with the rather limited tools we had to work with at the time to deal with the by-product issue.
Bob, I was comparing what u said u had been doing, with what Mr. Neal was doing right before testing at the test point. Was not blaming you at all, the problem with the water was known probably before you took over, and members need to realize that whoever is water manager can make recommendations, but can’t do anything without board approval. Allowing ourselves to be a test site for the current system, was a really bad sign. Now we’ve spent all this money, and SUPRISE! It doesn’t work here either. The best thing the board could have done is to keep you, and take your advise, but board egos wouldn’t allow that.
Again Steve. It isn't just about about the surf. It isn't about the houses. It's about trees higher then that.
And if the post above thinks that tall trees will not cause damage with the high winds then they need to walk by some undeveloped lot or Leadbetter to see the results.
I guess we all need to live in fear that a very healthy tree may someday be struck by lightning because it's over 16 feet? Besides if tree damage is the concern and not the unblocked ocean view, why are the majority of complaints from those on the hill?
10:21, Oct 7....How do you know who complains? It's anonymous!
11:47.... The trees planted in Surfside are Shorepines that do not grow over 30ft. Ledbetter and surrounding forests have numerous species that can grow over 100 ft. tall. Heights of trees do not make them more dangerous, but trees do fall in large forests. We are talking about Surfside where there have been very few trees blown down.
I've been reading about the Columbus Day Storm. Prior to Hurricane Sandy, the Columbus Day storm was by far the most powerful ever recorded in North America. We can't live our lives in constant fear of harm from unlikely events, or plan our communities around that fear. Obviously, the enormous trees on North Head, where the winds were the most ferocious, were not all blown down.
The structure and strength of a 25 to 30 ft. Shorepine is exceptional, so failure is rare. Caring for trees properly maximizes their good health, and monitoring trees for rot or disease should be routine in a residential area.
I don't know how 10:21 knows who complains, but my guess is they talked to the same tree committee lady I did. She made it quite clear that those on the east side of I street complained about my neighbor's trees and would complain about the others within the month.
On this blog, there are a lot of complaints from the ridge, or one or two people speak for them ALOT. Also the vast majority of complaints are about tree height. I find it very hard to believe anyone else cares. Maybe one or two chicken littles,lol
The shore pines have a shallow root system because the water table is not that deep in most of Surfside. The shallow root system makes the pines more prone to blowing over in wind storms. This condition exists on much of the peninsula. No doubt you have seen the blown over trees with the shallow root systems exposed that have been apparent along our roadways.
I have yet to see a healthy tree come down in surfside. Lived here bout eight years. Don’t bother with that “we had a big storm one time”. I’ve got a few neighbors in ocean woods that the first thing they do is cut down ALL their trees. Trees that had eagles in them for years. Then complain of the wind and blowing dust, because they bring in sand to cover their lots. The difference between those that move hear for nature and those that come here for the cheap price n try to make a buck.
3:20 You missed the storm in 2007 that brought down many trees, healthy and unhealthy trees hit the ground in some cases and shattered with huge broken limbs falling.
Again, comprehension problems ☝️
You're simply getting the standard reply from the J placers, aka our wonderful Board.
Everything you said here makes sense. That's why would they would perceive it as a threat.
Scare tactics and threats of higher costs - business as usual in Surfside.
Personally, I would pay the extra money for a compliance officer, as the current process is fixed, with too many people with special interests.
1:52 ... People are always bringing up the trees that are so visibly falling down in Klipsan and some outlying areas. Those are not Shorepines, but are commercially grown genetically engineered trees that are 40 feet tall or more, and obviously not a proper fit for the soil.
You do know that only 2 trustees are on J right?
nice try 10:58. I was referring to shore pines and not the many other varieties of evergreen trees on this peninsula. You don't see as many fallen shore pines with the roots still intact in Surfside because so many of these pines have been trimmed and their root system is not as large as some other evergreens because they don't reach heights of 80 to 150 feet.
No one seems to have witnessed this but you, at least in Surfside. An Alder blew down on the Eastside last year, doing no harm, though it fell by the street. So the constant pruning damages the roots eh ? Your words this time.
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