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This member is concerned about deer hunting or probably any kind of hunting in Surfside. At one time recently, there were "No Hunting Allowed In Surfside" signs. My understanding is that they were removed because Surfside does not have the legal right to make that ruling. I agree that hunting within the area of Surfside would not be safe. I am sure that most hunters would be careful, but that is not all.
In my opinion, the deer are becoming an increasing problem as their population increases.
I had one bash in my fender while driving on I Street. I would like to see the State allow more hunting in the areas surrounding, but outside of Surfside. Perhaps year around hunting, until the population is brought under control.
Thank you poster for bringing this situation to our attention for discussion. I would suggest that the poster or anyone else, contact the Washington State Game Department and express your concerns to them.
Hi George,
I was wondering if you would be willing to put some info in you're blog about deer hunting here in Surfside?
I am against deer hunting here in our sub division because I just do not think it's safe. I am not against deer hunting but I do not want to see it here in Surfside.
From what I understand it is legal to hunt here but if everyone puts up no trespassing signs on their property and the deer that has been shot drops dead on someone's property that has a sign up then the hunter cannot legally trespass to harvest the kill. The sheriff or fish and wildlife can then be contacted to harvest the meat so that it does not go to waste.
The last person that killed a deer off of I street was the son of someone that used to be on our HOA board here. Unfortunately he knew the law and got away with it but we as a community can slow it down if we all put up no trespassing signs during deer season. Deer season opens on September 1st so time would be of essence.
Thank you for your time!!
42 comments:
Many covenants have a no hunting policy. Doesn't ours? I thought we had a no firearm discharge policy in Surfside. Am I mistaken?
No hunting signs taken down for same reason fireworks signs taken down. Neither were ever enforced anyway, nor would they ever be if they were illegal to begin with.
Our Restrictive Covenants at 2.12, says No Firearm Discharge and No Firworks in Surfside.
Go read it for yourself. Many HOAs don't allow hunting in their communities, there is nothing unusual about this.
If I am not mistaken I think this post is about archery and muzzleloader deer seasons which both can be done in Surfside
A muzzleloader is a firearm. Not a modern firearm, but still a firearm so not allowed in Surfside.
Bow hunting doesn't allow shooting across a street or in the direction of a residence.
Surfside is too tightly knit for safe Bow hunting.
I have no problem with hunting outside of Surfside. As long as state game regulations are being met, there's not a lot anyone can do about it anyway.
The poster told me the posting was about archery. I am not familiar with the game laws about this. It has always seemed cruel to me.
Laws mean nothing without enforcement.we pay extra, but don’t get snything for it.
I read on this blog a couple of months ago that there are no "NO FIREWORKS" signs posted in Surfside, and noticed several when I started looking for them. The HOA sets standards in this community, and as such, should not be intimidated by the State or by hunters on this issue.
Signage should make it perfectly clear that there is no hunting within Surfside community, and that discharging firearms is forbidden. There is no rational reason to allow bow hunting either. I no longer hunt, but know that hunting regulations forbid discharging firearms within a specific distance of a residence - about 50 yards I believe.
Given that there are these restrictions, it should be clear that Surfside has a perfect right to forbid hunting of any kind within the community. I think this is a matter the HOA needs to address with appropriate signage, and not bow to any outside interference. Show some backbone BOT. There should be no hunting in a residential neighborhood, period !
We live near the Ledbetter Nature Preserve and large areas of forest. I don't think there is any evidence that there is an over-population of Deer, based on the frequency we see them in S. S.. As trees have been removed, the amount of habitat in Surfside has been reduced, and there seem to be fewer Deer around this year. As hunting pressure increases outside of the community, we will probably see more Deer in our neighborhood.
I live on 324th Place and have all that open range to the North and also to the East toward Skating Lake. I saw as many as 8 deer together this Spring. I see several every day.Deer Lake is aptly named as many go there for water each day. Maybe there is just a lot in my neighborhood. I was hit by one on I Street this Spring that dented in my fender. I didn't hit it, it hit me. I think they are a danger to traffic, no matter your speed and paying attention. And yes, they eat my flowers every night and even come up the steps on my front deck.
George, I saw a nice buck near your house by the corner the other day. He has a nice big full rack that any bow hunter would convent and be proud to hang on his wall.
In Surfside we live in the midst of very large forested areas, and as such, are obligated to deal with the presence of Deer in the community without harming them. It is not common to have a Deer charge a motor vehicle, and unless cornered, not common for them to charge a person.
We can't prevent them from entering Surfside. We lived near the Capital Building in Olympia, and sometimes saw Deer in our neighborhood, and they sometimes nibbled on our garden there. We see them often near our home in Lacey, often along the roads or IN the roads. We can be grateful they aren't Moose, which are very aggressive.
Hunters do not necessarily use good judgement in firing bullets OR arrows, which can carry long distances, doing harm far from the shooter. Residential areas never allow hunting, and it shouldn't matter if they're within city limits or not.
It is not legal to hunt on private property, unless you get permission period. It doesn't matter what type of hunting your doing.
The state game laws don't allow shooting ANYTHING towards a residence.
If there was hunting done in Surfside, the game department should have been called.
There are heavy fines and you will have your firearm or bow taken away along with your hunting license suspended.
That's The Law!
No deer, No hunters, problem solved.
Now, tell me I knew there were deer here when I purchased my property.
I think it is so obvious that hunting in a neighborhood is ridiculous. People hunt in the woods, not in somebody's back yard. This takes the gun culture to an extreme. Arrows are just as dangerous. We grew up in the country. During hunting season we were always on our guard about hunters, and we lived on a big farm. Imagine the worry in a neighborhood.
158 - There was deer here when you purchased your property. There!
You can have whatever opinion on this u want, but more than signs are needed. There is no compentent enforcement of anything around here. We have drug dealers across the street, authorities have been informed, buuuuut🤷♂️
to 2:45: Now there's a problem! I am so sorry to hear that. Why don't we concentrate on a real issue - like drug dealers - violent people - and real law breakers - rather than the petty disputes over dogs, roof overhangs, and weeds. That pretty much puts it all in perspective, I think.
12:11 PM if we think hanging a dead animal's head on your wall something to be proud of you are one sick puppy. I eat meat so shooting it for food may be justifiable.
So ok to eat, but not display? I’d rather be displayed than eaten.lol. Some people now a days,smh. Another victim of pc programming.
Surfside should put up appropriate signage to make it clear that there is no hunting of any kind in the community. There's no reason to make this a discussion of hunting, as the moral question has nothing to do with WHERE it is allowed.
What we know is that killing animals that prey on large mammals can result in over-population of Deer which tends to lead to poor health in the herds, collisions on highways, and heavy Winter-kill. Better to see hunting reducing their numbers, and the meat put to good use.
It shouldn't require the shooting of Surfside members or their homes to make it clear that hunting is not appropriate in Surfside, no matter how many Deer mosey through the community. There are Ducks and Pheasants as well. With plenty of wild lands to hunt on, Surfside need not be tolerant of it.
You would have to add it into the covenants, why not make a members request to have that verbiage added?
Signs have been up before n did no good. Have heard shots many times per year. Again, without enforcement, signs just make people feel better, but accomplish nothing. Same has went for fireworks sign, have always had nightly displays from neighbor during and leading up to the fourth, very near to one of those signs.
State of Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife should be handling this, not SHOA.
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign...SHOA seems to think a sign solves everything...
2.12 Discharge of firearms and fireworks is prohibited.
This is all that I found in the covenants that addresses anything related to hunting.
With a complaint required for any covenant compliance to happen, most violations go unenforced because most of us do not want to make any trouble with our neighbors. The complaint method must be ended and replaced with an enforcement employee who faithfully and fairly takes care of covenant violations.
I suspect that it would take action from the Fish and Wildlife agency as well as Sheriff's office to discourage hunting through laws and enforcement actions. There is no way that I am going to ask any unarmed person to try to enforce a no hunting rule.
So like I said, no enforcement. Far as SHOA enforcement, what could they do far as fireworks if anybody complained? Nothing really.
Some HOAs use shaming with names of violators published online and in newsletters. Others use fines that increase drastically with nonpayment. Fines for verified fireworks violations would be appropriate in Surfside. When I say verified, I would expect verifiable data such as pictures or written verification statements from at least two members.
iv seen at least three dead deer from being hit from speeders. I do not understand why we don’t have speed bumps. They are in small neighborhoods in Seattle, Vancouver, and Portland in fact all over the US. I have read it has something to do with the fire trucks and ambulances getting to their destination but then that doesn’t make sense because other city’s, and county’s have them From the richest to the poorest neighborhoods and they have fire trucks and ambulances. We have such a problem with spending. I thought some of those cameras would be good because they take the picture it’s sent to the registered owner with a fine. This way we save on security and the county makes money
Thoroughly agree that the speeding is horrendous on many streets in Surfside. I marvel each week at the puny number of speeding citations issued by the deputy. I have buried lots of smaller animals and one fawn. All were killed by speeders on my street. Forty, fifty and sometimes 60+ mph are a common occurrence on our 25 mph streets. I fully support installing speed bumps strategically throughout Surfside. The straight stretches of our busier roads appear to be the areas of the highest number of speeders. G, H, and M are often dangerous for kids, walkers, bikers and other drivers. I don't see much speeding on I. I do see the deputy on I and M streets most often.
The fire trucks and ambulances make lots of noise but rarely are traveling all that much over the speed limit.
There is nothing preventing the HOA from levying fines for hunting or fireworks. I think that most hunters are smart enough to avoid Surfside, or firing their weapon near homes. Most of the fireworks are set off on the beach which is public land and governed by the County.
Speed bumps are a nuisance. There are better ways to minimize speeding, but it does require monitoring by police or cameras. Both seem quite doable. There are pedestrian crossings that could result in injuries by speeders, and kids and bicyclists in the streets at times.
We don't own or manage the roads. It is strictly a County function. I don't see any way of adding speed bumps without taking over ownership of the roads and all the costs associated with that.
Everyone knows that the Surfside deer are the most tender and tastiest on the peninsula.
10:39 … It is true that altering the flow of traffic isn't likely to be approved by the County. Some communities allow citizen financed speed-bumps, which are surprisingly expensive. They should be considered only as a last-ditch effort, as the annoyance factor is huge and lasting.
I agree 10:31, no speed bumps, and they are not tasty either.
Isn't it enough that walkers are sometimes being unsafe on our roads, wild animals are being smashed to death on our roads and there is a sense of unease to go out to the street to get the mail without thoroughly checking both ways for speeding and dangerous drivers. I installed a mailbox that can be opened from the back to access the mail after having he scare of a lifetime with a neighbor nearly hitting me. A quick jump saved me from the speeding truck.
Wow 3:34, exaggerate much?
9:56 you obviously don’t live on or near I Street where 50mph is the norm rather than the exception.
Why would anyone buy a place on the main drag? You knew that when you bought there.😂🤣🤣😂
Some of us were aware that the association pays the salary and benefits for a deputy Sheriff when we bought here. We wrongly thought that this would mean a better level of law enforcement than exists.
There is no correlation to this circumstance and the RVers and tree huggers who decided to buy property and then change the covenants to suit their personal preferences.
2:21- As you enter the Surfside boundary on M Place, there are usually signs posted, although they are small, that state either NO HUNTING allowed in Surfside, or NO FIREWORKS allowed in Surfside. These seem to be put up and taken down in accordance to the season, i.e. 4th of July, NY's, or hunting season. But, as stated, they are small signs posted on a wood post. Who sees them besides me? Not many I suspect.
HOAs make covenants not laws. There seems to be some confusion amongst SHOA members about this. Covenants apply to Members of the HOA and no one else.
Where did you get this idea 1:33?
Dear 1:33,
Please read the following from the Surfside Covenants section 6.2. Try to know what you are commenting about in the future. We don't give a hoot about your spouting off junk that is not true.
6.2 Compliance Required. All members shall comply with these covenants. All persons occupying, using and/or coming on any of the parcels shall comply with these covenants. The owner is responsible for compliance with these covenants by the owner; by the owner’s family members, guests, tenants, licensees and invitees; and by all other persons coming on to the owner’s parcel or other areas subject to these covenants at the request or with the consent of the owner.
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