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Sunday, February 17, 2019
Water System Reports
For Jan. 2019
Water System Manager & Water System Operation Report. Part of report. Full report will be available on Surfside web site. Click on each page of 3 pages for a larger view.
17 comments:
Anonymous
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Required increase testing is not a good sign. Some of the other info is also questionable without further facts. Also wondering what % of pipe has been replaced vs. no pipe breaks.
Yes, more frequent testing for the presence of coliform ? May have been using too much chlorine ? More info would help our understanding, if that IS a goal.
Total Coliforms, Fecal Coliforms, and E. Coli. The most basic test for bacterial contamination of a water supply is the test for total coliform bacteria.Total coliform counts give a general indication of the sanitary condition of a water supply.
I'm thinking that not enough chlorine in the system may be the problem. So now the system must be monitored to get it back within normal limits.
May be a formal water flushing of the system is called for as it was once practiced to get things cleaned up
9:27....if you are going to talk technical details it would be appreciated if you give your name. Of course tests for coliform and various other impurities are central to monitoring the community water supply. The report indicates that we are being required to conduct many more tests for coliform, which indicates excessive amounts present, or may in part address the altered maintenance schedule which is primarily due to the many issues at the site.
Interesting that the report also speculates that excessive amounts of chlorine being used may be causing water heaters to build-up excessive amounts of material on the diodes causing a stronger sulpher-like smell in the hot water. It is suggested that reducing the amount of chlorine may help. But if coliform levels are high, isn't chlorine used in stronger concentrations ? And doesn't chlorine create a reaction with some impurities creating more of the stuff Neal mentioned in the newsletter as being our primary water quality problem ?
Just curious as someone was recently telling me on the Blog, what an idiot I am for making comments about water quality without being a certified chemist. Looks like there's a contradiction in the report, and that a smiley face is being put on an ugly situation. I'm just reading the info available, course I'm no chemist.
I will say that without a good and vigorous uni-directional flushing program in place, to remove built up contaminates, results in old water in the system allowing for the various forms of nastiness to build up.
March of each year was the month, I used to flush the system and with my carefully planned out Uni-Directional flushing program, it took us most of the month to do it properly.
We pushed the system pretty hard and early on in our flushing we had some system failures from the aggressive flows that we used, it also caused some pressure fluctuations resulting in failure a good distance away from the actual flushing area. Which is a good thing, best to find the problems during flushing vs than during a Fire event. We also discovered some pretty serious booster control issues, which were resolved promptly.
Bottom line OLD WATER is a real problem in a water systems, and those automatic flushers do not clean the pipes they just move the center (laminar) flow of water through pipes, leaving all the junk laying on the bottom of the pipes untouched.
We need to hire an independent evaluation of our water system through our relevant SHOA procedures. Should as many of us as possible submit a Member Request for this task? Mike Riley
We should not have to make a member request for them to do their job properly. Isn't that the reason we hired a water expert? This should be requested from the Pacific County Health Department and complaints made to the state office of drinking water. Looks like we need another investigation.
Our water is tested by the Department of Health monthly at minimum. Do you think they would allow us to operate without testing? Mike Riley sounds like he needs to focus his attention, just a little all over the place with your suggestions.
Yes 2:40, and how is that working for us? They only get the reports we send them. Do you really think they are getting the whole story? I think not. Good idea and concerns by Mr. Riley and others, beg for attention.
We are required by the State to submit the tests monthly and after every break or pipe replacement. If the water wasn't safe for consumption we would have a notice from the DOH stating it.
The prob is, they rely on shoa to take the sample. Shoa water started alot of this by getting caught cheating on how sample was taken. I.e, at flush point, right after flushing.
17 comments:
Required increase testing is not a good sign. Some of the other info is also questionable without further facts. Also wondering what % of pipe has been replaced vs. no pipe breaks.
Yes, more frequent testing for the presence of coliform ? May have been using too much chlorine ? More info would help our understanding, if that IS a goal.
Total Coliforms, Fecal Coliforms, and E. Coli. The most basic test for bacterial contamination of a water supply is the test for total coliform bacteria.Total coliform counts give a general indication of the sanitary condition of a water supply.
I'm thinking that not enough chlorine in the system may be the problem. So now the system must be monitored to get it back within normal limits.
May be a formal water flushing of the system is called for as it was once practiced to get things cleaned up
No doubt our water is safe
9:27....if you are going to talk technical details it would be appreciated if you give your name. Of course tests for coliform and various other impurities are central to monitoring the community water supply. The report indicates that we are being required to conduct many more tests for coliform, which indicates excessive amounts present, or may in part address the altered maintenance schedule which is primarily due to the many issues at the site.
Interesting that the report also speculates that excessive amounts of chlorine being used may be causing water heaters to build-up excessive amounts of material on the diodes causing a stronger sulpher-like smell in the hot water. It is suggested that reducing the amount of chlorine may help. But if coliform levels are high, isn't chlorine used in stronger concentrations ? And doesn't chlorine create a reaction with some impurities creating more of the stuff Neal mentioned in the newsletter as being our primary water quality problem ?
Just curious as someone was recently telling me on the Blog, what an idiot I am for making comments about water quality without being a certified chemist. Looks like there's a contradiction in the report, and that a smiley face is being put on an ugly situation. I'm just reading the info available, course I'm no chemist.
Steve,
You are on the right track.
I will say that without a good and vigorous uni-directional flushing program in place, to remove built up contaminates, results in old water in the system allowing for the various forms of nastiness to build up.
March of each year was the month, I used to flush the system and with my carefully planned out Uni-Directional flushing program, it took us most of the month to do it properly.
We pushed the system pretty hard and early on in our flushing we had some system failures from the aggressive flows that we used, it also caused some pressure fluctuations resulting in failure a good distance away from the actual flushing area. Which is a good thing, best to find the problems during flushing vs than during a Fire event. We also discovered some pretty serious booster control issues, which were resolved promptly.
Bottom line OLD WATER is a real problem in a water systems, and those automatic flushers do not clean the pipes they just move the center (laminar) flow of water through pipes, leaving all the junk laying on the bottom of the pipes untouched.
We need to hire an independent evaluation of our water system through our relevant SHOA procedures.
Should as many of us as possible submit a Member Request for this task?
Mike Riley
We should not have to make a member request for them to do their job properly. Isn't that the reason we hired a water expert? This should be requested from the Pacific County Health Department and complaints made to the state office of drinking water. Looks like we need another investigation.
This is a proposal for an independent evaluation.
By the way just to be clear, I do not intend this proposal to be propaganda.
Mike Riley
Are you proposing something? Are you going to take some action?
Our water is tested by the Department of Health monthly at minimum. Do you think they would allow us to operate without testing? Mike Riley sounds like he needs to focus his attention, just a little all over the place with your suggestions.
Yes 2:40, and how is that working for us? They only get the reports we send them. Do you really think they are getting the whole story? I think not. Good idea and concerns by Mr. Riley and others, beg for attention.
We are required by the State to submit the tests monthly and after every break or pipe replacement. If the water wasn't safe for consumption we would have a notice from the DOH stating it.
The prob is, they rely on shoa to take the sample. Shoa water started alot of this by getting caught cheating on how sample was taken. I.e, at flush point, right after flushing.
Plenty of doubts, and denying it will not change that.
Sounds like Mike Riley is trying to make a difference. How about you?
So we depend entirely on Surfside employees, controlled by the board of trustees, to supervise our water quality.
We haven't gotten the truth out of these people yet! Why do you expect to now?
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