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Because of eye problems, I am not able to drive, pending eye surgery. I have signed up for Peninsula garbage service. Yhe ost is about 25.00 a month, billed every two months for one can weekly pickup curbside. I have auto payment from checking. The container holds about two 30 gallon cans worth. They pickup in front of my home about 11:30 am on Thursdays. Only restriction is...no sod, which is ok because I compost. They ask that lawn and yard clippings be placed in a garbage bag. You can also get once a month pu only, but the savings is not worth having garbage sitting around for a month. The service is so handy, I will probably stay with the service after my sight is restored.
This got me to thinking about what Surfside provides for me. If I paid for my own garbage and a water rate like North Beach, the costs would be about the same as present dues and assessments, and not have the other garbage (pun intended) that we all have to put up with. You have to ask yourself if putting up with what we do, is worth it? At this point, I think not. We spend a half million dollars every year just on business office and administration. All we get for it is a bunch of grief. What does this association do or offer for us?..Your thoughts please.
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Please excuse my miss hit keys and messy yard. Once my sight is restored, Will try and do better.
hmmm, interesting. Maybe a tie in with North Beach would be a good idea and the HOA can just go away?
North Beach, we have a deal for you. You get our water system and all facilities free. All present owners with water hookups in Surfside pay twenty dollars a month service charge as long as they own the property. New owners and new hookups will pay the rates of North Beach. This takes surfside out of the water business.
Absolutely! We need to get out of the water and garbage business. Just imagine an HOA with a club house and a swimming pool! That’s the only thing I’d want out of our dues!
Without giving it more thought, getting out of the water business sounds great. Living without an HOA has appeal also. Much of the year there aren't more than a few hundred residents, so the complex administrative structure and huge budget is surely over-kill. But the function of our HOA suffers from member apathy and lack of participation. Around 300 members vote annually. How would a decision to undo the HOA take place ? Significant changes could easily be tried out- and undone if not better than before. But completely undoing the HOA seems far too complicated. The community would still need a director or directors in most any permutation. The prevailing voters would never be so motivated.
Right on man. No water, no garbage and all we need is two employees in a new office/club house and one employee to maintain grounds and office building. We have two million bucks in the bank. Let's spend it on something for the members for a change. Our dues would be around two hundred a year.
I do t think getting a vote to dissolve the HOA would be a problem at all. Right now those members who don’t vote now , I’m sure will come out in droves to get rid of this dictatorship
None of you have the courage, willingness, creativity, commitment, or motivation to call a special meeting to make that happen.
It sure would be nice to be able to make improvements to property without having to wait for someone who doesn't even know or care about your property to give their "stamp" of approval. What a stupid concept to have to ask for approval of any home projects on the outside of a property that will stand above three feet. Example- if building a deck, you need approval, if pouring concrete, you do not. ???
There are numerous issues that would need to be addressed in order to dissolve. There would need to be a master plan of implementation. Who would be so motivated and informed ? A dissolution group would need to form in order to drive this over the long haul. I don't think anyone knows if North Beach would want to take over our Water System, and it could take many months or more for them to implement such a plan. Garbage accumulates whether or not you have compactors, and eliminating them would definitely create a serious problem. About 3/4 of our members are part-time residents, so garbage service is not practical. Garbage would accumulate and there are hundreds of Bears in the North end. We have acres of community-owned property and buildings that are HOA/member owned. Lots of matters to be dealt with. No "easy button".
I know. Get Two Million in the Bank, Doug, Ronda, and JoAnne to lead an insurrection and overthrow the hoa!
That's right in their wheelhouse!!!
North Beach is broke! Talk about mismanagement of funds.
By the way, the board members did address Joanne's situation but Mark said you can't sandbag bubbling water that comes up and not in. The water level is very high so even if Joanne had a million bags that water would still have seeped up from the ground, that's not what sandbags are for
Holding a Special Meeting would not draw enough members to make a resolution to dissolve. It would require a core group to mount an intensive information campaign to convince owners who have ignored elections and HOA actions long term. The cost of bulk mailing repeatedly would be thousands of dollars. Only about 12% of our members vote, and of those who vote, most favor the status-quo. That is not the makings of a dissolution movement.
And you anonymous 2:56 know not what you’re talking about! The ocean came into our neighbors and our yards! Then when the rain came right down the trench the ocean surge had made! The sandbags have nothing to do with the ground being saturated!! Stop by and I’ll walk you through the chain of events! But it’s so much easier to be anonymous and make critical comments about something you know nothing about. Like I said, if you want to know the events, come on by. And you know exactly who I am because I don’t hide behind anonymous!
I think North Beach has always salivated over 2000 ready-made customers. At $20 x 2000=40,000 per month, or $480,000 per year. That would pull them out of their hole. The cross-connection was part of their plan, I think.
Here's an idea.
If you want to have North Beach water, pay for garbage and not live in a HOA, MOVE! Obviously you shouldn't have purchased property here in the first place.
I got the impression it was ocean water coming up the approach, is that not true?
4:52....What a silly comment to suggest that the only solution to problems/challenges the community faces is to do nothimg. It's good to consider new possibilities that are always out there. As for the flooding, Mark is making a good point- our water table is very shallow so is probably the main contributor, both heavy rains and King tides additional factors.
The high water table had nothing to do with the ocean coming up the approach into our neighbors yard and ours. Yes we have a high water table but that isn’t what made the heavy rain run down the approach road in the trench made by the surge and end up in our yards again! If you would have seen it Sunday and Monday, it was a small creek running down/up the road! Of course with the high water table in our yards the water really piled up! But it was not just the high water table that caused it! This was all a kinda of a domino effect, starting with the sand piled at the end of the approach and the ocean just found the path of least resistance ie: the oysterville road!
452 - you got nothing to contribute but the sam old, tired record?
Sounds to me like a board member desperately trying to justify the unjustifiable. Keep that up, we can use the entertainment.
If the blog comment is accurate as to Mark's meeting remarks, I can see why you're grumpy about it. It would be appropriate for Board members to acknowledge that the HOA has tended to not consider this annual flooding their problem. They need to talk seriously about what the HOA can do to help minimize the member's struggles with this, and accept that as elderly fulltime members, your challenges with this are worthy of some BOT help. Maybe they could provide you with some FILLED sandbags, and assume you know the difference between flooding and seasonal standing water. I didn't say the cause of your problems are due to the water table alone. It just prevents other flooding from disappating short-term. Good luck guys.
You folks don't believe Mark? He is a geologist. He is a Trustee.
JoAnne bought beachfront property, the hoa refuses to work with the county to permanently fix the outfalls, then she complains that the hoa needs to pay for protecting her home. Wow!
Was the issue with JoAnne's home due to the storm surge and water coming up the approach (county issue) or due to the outfalls (or both)?
I'm confused. If due solely to the storm surge I'm not understanding why it is an HOA responsibility (which is different from asking the HOA for assistance).
Contrary to what some say, there really isn't a permanent fix to the outfalls. Go look at the one north of Oysterville road. First off the beach is higher between the out port and the ocean so if you would to extend the pipe a deep trench would have to be dug or they wouldn't drain properly. People have also said that they wouldn't have to be dug out as much which is false. If you move the outpoint closer to the ocean it will get covered up sooner than it does now. Yes, if you were to move it closer you wouldn't have to dig it out as far as you do now, but you would have to do so more often. Anyone who drives down the beach knows this since you see them digging out the outflows south of Ocean Beach more than they do here.
Anonymous 8:54. It’s a problem between three eniities. The HOA that has the outfalls to prevent flooding around the lake and the canal, the county as they are in charge of cleaning out the outfalls and the state that owns the beach! It’s complicated but they are working on solutions which won’t be easy to agree upon. I guess in some opinions it starts with us (Surfside). Without the lake and the canal there would be no need for the outfall problem.
As for the responsibility of the HOA for our safety I suggest you refer to the Articles of Incorporation, Article 2, #16. If you bought here and agreed to the rules, I’m assuming you agree to that statement? Or maybe not, maybe just trees over 16 feet are a danger to you and yours!
It seems the storm drain runoff is nonexistent from I street west towards the ocean. Residents on Oysterville road sit lower than the pavement creating water saturation from road runoff. Driveways are flooding due to the slope and poor design for runoff and catchment is nonexistent . Further north at G street and 347th, the properties and the roadway were significantly flooded. It looked like a lake. With the amount of properties effected, this should be sent to the county for some engineering design and improvement for all those lower lying properties along roadways where flooding occurs from rainfall. And pictures are needed when standing water is visible. Lots of them. Pacific County has been pleasantly responsive in the past and I recommend they be contacted.
As for the McMurphy's and their neighbors, an ocean surge was forced up the approach due to a company dumping gigantic sand piles on the North side of the approach, no one knew who contracted with these folks to scrape out the outlets and it was well within their rights to ask for assistance from the HOA. Their property is also suffering from lack of runoff catchment.
This is sounding like a broken record. I wish people would stop being so thick. And for the record, NO ONE IS MOVING SO STOP PARROTING YOURSELF. You are not productive. If you don't have any ideas or solutions you should shut up. You look foolish and juvenile.
Yes there is. I've asked the county. I have documented evidence. I also know who stopped the fix from happening in the recent past. I have the documents to prove it.
Fill in the lakes and canals and be done with it. They are just "drainage ditches" anyway.
JoAnne's property is half a block from the beach. Any flooding issues are HOA concerns, regardless of responsibilities of the State and County. To their credit, the HOA has made efforts sporadically, to work with the County in coordinating projects addressing stormwater. The HOA has built this community, sold the properties and put a management structure in place. Meanwhile, the power of nature is relentless, Oceans are rising, and huge amounts of sand are being deposited, changing the land and challenges to the community. There's no point in pretending it's someone else's problem. The County has a lot of land to manage so we must make efforts to get their attention, and accept a degree of responsibility to help owners and make things happen. That's the practical reality.
We don't want SS getting into the outfall cleaning business. Its approx. 25K each time the outfall is cleaned. Thank you to Pacific County for covering those costs!
Joanne is correct and 11:47am is correct. There's no storm runoff management on the west side of the community. There were several roads on the far north end that were unusable this past rain storm. And entire yards were duck ponds. I would be pissed if it was my property. County has some work to do to say the least. Remember, talk is cheap, do all pertinent correspondence in writing.
Excuse me, when the "ideas" of yours's or anyone else is to do away with the HOA, then it is appropriate to tell you to move. Most of the chatter is coming from the same few people anyways.
What seems foolish is buying into a HOA then turning around and talking about dissolving it. How productive is that? The other big question is if you feel it is that bad then why stay and complain all the time. Says a lot about you, doesn't it? I'm happy here as opposed to you, so who is the fool?
And stop with YOUR parroting comment which you parrot all the time. Basically people repeat the same stuff on a variety of topics most of the time anyways. Learn to live with someone making a comment that you don't agree with and leave the name calling, which IS juvenile, out of it.
The sand piles wasn't the main cause of the surge going up the approach. The same happens at the Ocean Beach approach sometimes with the surge and they have a wider area with no piles.
Years ago it use to flood on I pl real bad then the HOA put in another drain. It didn't go away entirely but has helped. Same with some lots which for some reason they dug out lower to than the road. Once they refilled and made it level not so much.
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