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Tuesday, April 23, 2019
J Place Tree Committee
March 15, 2019 minutes......53 new complaints...
How many more trees died today?
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It wouldn't surprise me if it is the Tree Committee that is all of a sudden generating all these new complaints, very unusual increase in activity.
This report makes it clear what a ridiculous obsession enforcing this policy has become. I keep asking how many inches over the established limit justifies a demand for compliance, and no one is willing to say. Is 4 inches over 14 feet an urgent matter requiring measuring, sending a compliance letter, hounding the owners, threatening fines, owners spending hundreds of dollars to placate the OCD Tree Committee ?
This is beyond nuts. The community is being victimized by a useless policy that demands owners destroy their private property to satisfy a myth that the community is better for it. This assures that Surfside will always be second rate as an HOA community. Enforcement for enforcement's sake is lunacy.
Again, more attacks against the tree committee from Mr. 4:49. The tree Committee doesn't need to be placated. All they do is go out to measure and determine if a complaint is valid, nothing more. To continue to blame them while excusing those that actually made the complaint and those that let their trees get to the point of having one filed shows if anyone has OCD it's 4:49.
More information you don't quite understand. There isn't an answer to how many inches over requires a measurement. No trees get measured unless there is a complaint. There are many incidences where the measuring has determined the trees are within limits.
Maybe you should consider either talking with someone on the committee and/or show up for a meeting to educate yourself instead of making the same inaccurate statements. But why bother, right? Easier to just continue the attack.
There's no point in pretending that there is anything beyond my understanding, and you are unwilling to state how many inches constitutes a violation. That tells me that we will all find the answer ridiculous and obsessive.
Tree and home heights on G St. are 24 feet. Add to that how high the property sits, and that houses are being built about 8 feet apart. The dunes in some areas are 24 to 28 feet high. Virtually every tree between the ridge and G St. have been topped at least once, probably multiple times. They will never grow high enough to interfere with views. Stop pestering owners and forcing them to spend money on this nonsense.
Much of the wasteland in between the ridge and G St. could be Nebraska by the way it looks so barren and chopped. No need to pretend that you are the innocent community servants. You as well as anyone else can recognize what a useless exercise this enforcement is, and tell the Board it's time to have a 2 year moratorium on cutting.
So you have 76 properties slated to be cited and cut, and 3 properties referred to the attorney. That tells us that a great deal of money is also being spent on attorney fees for legal advice. The HOA just withdrew a lawsuit pursued in Superior Court over a tree related issue, at a loss of at least $55,000. That was on top of the total loss of at least $100,000 pursuing the Patrick Johansen case, which could have easily been resolved by granting him a variance.
This is the adversarial attitude I have commented on. The HOA is in deep trouble with regulators for failing to follow regulations in building permitting, management of the Water Dept., and failing to address need for wastewater solutions. Meanwhile they can't stop creating conflict with owners on the flats. That's called hypocrisy.
Deleest just got a height variance approved by the board. I wonder if these 76 properties will get the same. I think not. What goes around comes around. These 76 properties will spend thousands to comply while the smug board members who live on J and sit on the tree committee pay nothing. Bad karma
Neighbor of mine got a tree letter. Cut his trees at a big cost. Tree Committee person came around and measured tree as being 2-3 feet above what they actually were. How many times has “Laser Lady” made this mistake on others? Lawsuit?
DeLeest changed their minds. Variance property for sale now and bought another built house. You guessed it, on J Place. Have to feel sorry for those elite people with their problems. Will they invite all the surfs below for an open house?
Question to ask every board member and board candidate. Do you support a tree height covenant? Get them on the record. Those who support should be exposed and removed by the community. Those 53 should all refuse to cut their trees and let them take them all to court. This BS would all end on the first court decision.
wow 10:38 & 1:16 by going anonymous I guess it makes you feel better and gives you the courage to spout more hateful and disparaging comments about things that are really none of your business. and 1:31 wow, how exactly are you going to remove us from the community? No secret that we support the covenants, that's why we purchased our property here. You don't see me commenting on anyone living in any particular area of Surfside so you should not either! If going anonymous were not allowed you wouldn't have the guts to post your threats and garbage comments.
Apparently the de Leest family has a jealous stalker. Who else would be fixated on one family? Smart move on their part to remain anonymous.
To 1:31: Removed by the community? Really? How exactly do you think that could happen? Does that mean if there is a candidate like Patrick who says there should be no covenants here we can remove them?
Patrick is more of a man than Fred or his wife will ever be. They are only hate and anger. Patrick was for all the members, not just the elite on J Place. Only covenant they support is the one to make people kill their trees. If they moved here because of the covenants, does that mean they will move away if they are changed? If I was them, I would hold off on any purchase.
Complaints are supposed to be filed by members, not just one individual. Do you think that there are 73 individuals out there each with a complaint, or just 2or 3 hungry for power? Would like to know,, by Street, where the violations are. How many do you think are on J Place? They should share in the complaints. I am sure we can find violations other than trees, but would Laura enforce. She knows who butters her bread!
Whatever happened to the Constitutional right to know your accuser? Each and every complaint and the name of the person filing that complaint should be available to each a very person affected by the complaint, it is a Constitutional right, not at the whim of the HOA, they are not a law making body. Make policy, OK, but violate the rights of the accused, NO!
Why should deleest get special treatment for her height variance. Is she not one to claim you knew the rules when you bought here. Except for her of course. Then she leads the charge on getting trees cut and her husband comes on here and claims its no ones business. Well pal she ran for the board and got special treatment it is everyone's business.
Mr. deLeest...The current mutation of the Tree Policy has evolved in its' language from protecting ridgetop views to being cloaked as a general height restriction. That you have financial means is great fortune and in itself no reason to be maligned, I agree. But promoting the merits of the policy IS elitist, and the policy, damaging to other member's private property.
The fact remains, that the policy only serves ridgetop owners' interests at the expense of owners to the west. Views are not in any way obstructed by trees below, and if the policy was done away with, that would not change. It should not be surprising that elitism breeds contempt.
The community is intended to be fairly and equitably administered, but has a proud tradition of NOT doing so. The Tree Policy is the key to this imaginary class structure, and the privileges some owners feel they deserve, even at the pain and expense of others.
The Policy needs to be eliminated, allowing for individual appeals regarding neighbor trees, with an on-site determination as to whether "views" are obstructed or not. I think we would see not more than a handful of trees cut annually. This policy serves no one in the final analysis, but maintains a false elite, and in so doing, creates needless conflict and pain.
This is a private property matter and opposition is not driven by jealousy. That is a smug elitist attitude as well.
It is interesting that you defend this policy so, and have denuded an entire hillside on the property you intended to build, which will contribute to community flooding, another serious problem that Surfside refuses to address or cooperate with the County to solve.
Can anyone tell me at the beginning when the Covenants were first drawn up, what was the basis used to structure the tree heights in Surfside? Does anyone really know the answer ?
4:33pm, your comment is well founded. I am not a Lawyer, but I do know this, a VIEW is not included in your purchase of property, that alone means the covenant on tree heights is illegal and would not stand up in court.
Russ, they've kept their position by repeatedly stacking the deck, making the covenants the exclusive province of the Board, then hand selecting the Board members.
I agree, this whole situation will not stand up. Almost wished I lived on the west side, good income potential.
Who ever is dumping there tree trimmings on the beach I hope you get caught. there are three piles one on the Oysterville approach and two more just tom the south of it. you are a despicable person.
It's the Mexican tree trimmers. They cut your trees then charge you to haul the branches away, then they dump where ever they can for free. Lucky it's only tree branches, that goes away with little disturbance to the wild life.
I think the last comment is uncalled for and racist. I saw a white guy a few years ago doing the same and called the sheriff but doubt anything happened. Bad people come in all stripes.
To blame an irresponsible act on a racial group with no evidence whatsoever is asinine AND racist. You wouldn't make the comment if you didn't want to offend, so take your bad intentions elsewhere.
Guess white people try to stick to embezzlement and fraud for big stakes. White-collar crime is more respectable, right ?
Bought his property knowing full well the trees were over height and did nothing until he got a complaint.
Submitted plans for a tiny home, sorry I meant "shed", then changed them which is against the rules. Then instead of first appealing the complaint against him he went running to a lawyer instead.
When he found out that he couldn't put in a septic because of the close proximity to the canal he tried to change that rule also.
Every issue he championed was for his own self interested. It might align with yours but it doesn't change the fact that his motives were just as selfish as you accuse others of being.
9:45. The reason for you not knowing is to avoid retaliation. Why do you need to know anyways? All that matters is if the complaint is valid or not. That's how an HOA works. The Constitutional right you have is the freedom to purchase elsewhere.
9:56: As was mentioned your fixation on the de Leest family borders on psychotic. The variance request is no different then what has been given to others. To say it is special treatment is only your bias opinion based on some sort of hate.
Denuded an entire hillside? That's a new one. What were they suppose to do, build between trees? What do you call what they did when they built your little condo?
Which Board member are you? You seem to think you know a lot about this situation.
Why keep banging on Patrick? Got bored banging on Hillary and moved to this? Your campaign of anger and vilification worked, he's gone. Another low for our Association.
I don't really care for examples of other HOA's since we know this one is not working. The ability to face your accuser is a key to American jurisprudence. Almost hope I'd be picked on, because there will be good money to be made in this lawsuit.
The point 10:04, is that the lot was cleared, but the lot was rejected as the deLeest's building location. It's a very steep lot and will contribute to the wastewater woes that challenge the HOA to find solutions. The county has installed large storm drains on I st, but runoff still causes flooding in some areas.
Living trees and bushes absorb much of the rainwater and help drainage. The remaining lot makes a raggedy spectacle for everyone to live with.
10:00....Maybe you're not too good at math. The point that was made at 9:41 was that the "issue" did not merit 2 years of harassment and legal costs of over $100,000, when a variance could have been granted, and a warning to be fully approved in future projects, would have sufficed.
In spite of the large bank account member fees provide, it makes no sense to be unwilling to negotiate resolution in some instances. Patrick held that County standards allow the small porch, which is true. His attorney tried to schedule mediation at a cost of about $100, and the BOT refused to meet and settle out of Court. They ended up withdrawing the case at a total loss of funds.
Patrick sold his property, and the new owner sawed the porch floor off, and dumped it haphazardly in the bushes a few feet away. The roof still has the overhang, which is structurally unsupported. So what was gained by this relentless enforcement action and vast waste of money ? Now a mess lies in the bushes where a nice shed stood, not bothering anyone. Sheds are like that. They pretty much keep to themselves.
4/26 @ 9:43 AM the Board does not stack the deck with hand picked new trustees. The 15% of us who vote do that. Quit spouting garbage. It only goes to reinforce the yellow journalism of MANY posts here.
Nice try 8:04, not a board member. To your banging comment, I didn't bring Patrick up on this tread, just responded to the person who did which I have to assume was you. What I stated is based on what I observed happened along with actual first hand conversations with your beloved Patrick.
To your hope to be picked on, do something that is warranted and maybe you can get your wish and see how much money you can make. Maybe you will be lucky enough to be able to sign your dues check over to yourself. Tell you what, I have an offer for you. Post your name and address and I'll make a complaint against you and will even let you know who I am. Then what? You going to come up to my property to "talk". Let's see how that goes.
The cowards who write tree complaints and the cowards that investigate, never go out on Saturday or Sunday. What are they afraid of? I am sure the criminal low life violators would like to talk with them. Tell them to their face that they need to kill their trees, and do it right now or be fined and sued. Explain to them that they knew the covenants when they bought here. Tell them it is about safety and not an elite view. Disgusting.
It's not their job to tell people anything, just measure the trees and determine if the complaint is valid. That's the job of the office. What does the day of the week have to do with anything? So are you saying that if a complaint is made against you and ladies or Raymer show up to measure your going to be less than civil towards them? Go ahead then be prepared for a visit from the deputy, if you're lucky.
You can continue to call those on the committee what you want but cowards doesn't apply. They put up with more crap from you big, brave anonymous keyboard warriors than you ever could.
I feel very sorry for the deLeest's and the Old's. They are getting picked on by a bunch of jealous people. If I was them, I would say to hell with all of you, and quit everything. Resign from the board and committee. That would show them as everything would fall apart. I knew the covenants when I moved here, and I expect to be kept in line so that I will be a good member. We need good people like them to tell us what to do, otherwise, we would all continue to be law breaking criminals. I am jealous that I am not as good as they are or live in a fine home like them. We need fine people like them to keep us in our place. Sometimes we get a crazy notion that we are as good as everyone else and want to be treated fairly. -I am also jealous that they are so smart and I am so dumb.
53 new comments is just ridiculous. I am not stupid. The folks up on J Place have a little money, but if they were really rich they would be living in Gearheart, so don't be so intimidated. This is all from the Wizard of Oz. Behind that curtain is a silly man with a big voice. This isn't Kansas.
54 comments:
It wouldn't surprise me if it is the Tree Committee that is all of a sudden generating
all these new complaints, very unusual increase in activity.
This report makes it clear what a ridiculous obsession enforcing this policy has become. I keep asking how many inches over the established limit justifies a demand for compliance, and no one is willing to say. Is 4 inches over 14 feet an urgent matter requiring measuring, sending a compliance letter, hounding the owners, threatening fines, owners spending hundreds of dollars to placate the OCD Tree Committee ?
This is beyond nuts. The community is being victimized by a useless policy that demands owners destroy their private property to satisfy a myth that the community is better for it. This assures that Surfside will always be second rate as an HOA community. Enforcement for enforcement's sake is lunacy.
Again, more attacks against the tree committee from Mr. 4:49. The tree Committee doesn't need to be placated. All they do is go out to measure and determine if a complaint is valid, nothing more. To continue to blame them while excusing those that actually made the complaint and those that let their trees get to the point of having one filed shows if anyone has OCD it's 4:49.
More information you don't quite understand. There isn't an answer to how many inches over requires a measurement. No trees get measured unless there is a complaint. There are many incidences where the measuring has determined the trees are within limits.
Maybe you should consider either talking with someone on the committee and/or show up for a meeting to educate yourself instead of making the same inaccurate statements. But why bother, right? Easier to just continue the attack.
The Tree Committee and the practice of member-driven complaints is a blight on this community.
Maybe you should consider the rest of the members before flapping your pie hole, but we both know that's not going to happen. Go back to J Place.
53 complaints in a single month? Sounds like someone's agenda at work.
53 complaints, this is a good thing. looks like members need to pay more attention to their tree heights. Manage your trees folks!
And kudos to the Seacrest condo owners who want to be proactive. If more people were like this we wouldn't have the 53 complaints.
Yes, it's such a wonderful thing! It divides the community, creates hatred, and does absolutely nothing productive.
Are they now handing out awards for volume?
Certain individual been busy with little black book again. 53? Interesting see how many are legit and more than inches.
There's no point in pretending that there is anything beyond my understanding, and you are unwilling to state how many inches constitutes a violation. That tells me that we will all find the answer ridiculous and obsessive.
Tree and home heights on G St. are 24 feet. Add to that how high the property sits, and that houses are being built about 8 feet apart. The dunes in some areas are 24 to 28 feet high. Virtually every tree between the ridge and G St. have been topped at least once, probably multiple times. They will never grow high enough to interfere with views. Stop pestering owners and forcing them to spend money on this nonsense.
Much of the wasteland in between the ridge and G St. could be Nebraska by the way it looks so barren and chopped. No need to pretend that you are the innocent community servants. You as well as anyone else can recognize what a useless exercise this enforcement is, and tell the Board it's time to have a 2 year moratorium on cutting.
So you have 76 properties slated to be cited and cut, and 3 properties referred to the attorney. That tells us that a great deal of money is also being spent on attorney fees for legal advice. The HOA just withdrew a lawsuit pursued in Superior Court over a tree related issue, at a loss of at least $55,000. That was on top of the total loss of at least $100,000 pursuing the Patrick Johansen case, which could have easily been resolved by granting him a variance.
This is the adversarial attitude I have commented on. The HOA is in deep trouble with regulators for failing to follow regulations in building permitting, management of the Water Dept., and failing to address need for wastewater solutions. Meanwhile they can't stop creating conflict with owners on the flats. That's called hypocrisy.
Deleest just got a height variance approved by the board. I wonder if these 76 properties will get the same. I think not. What goes around comes around. These 76 properties will spend thousands to comply while the smug board members who live on J and sit on the tree committee pay nothing. Bad karma
Neighbor of mine got a tree letter. Cut his trees at a big cost. Tree Committee person came around and measured tree as being 2-3 feet above what they actually were. How many times has “Laser Lady” made this mistake on others? Lawsuit?
DeLeest changed their minds. Variance property for sale now and bought another built house. You guessed it, on J Place. Have to feel sorry for those elite people with their problems. Will they invite all the surfs below for an open house?
This crap needs to end. Can anyone say 'class action lawsuit'?
These people will not deter until they are attacked as vigorously as they are attacking. 53 violations? Somebody has an agenda here. It will not work.
Question to ask every board member and board candidate. Do you support a tree height covenant? Get them on the record. Those who support should be exposed and removed by the community. Those 53 should all refuse to cut their trees and let them take them all to court. This BS would all end on the first court decision.
wow 10:38 & 1:16 by going anonymous I guess it makes you feel better and gives you the courage to spout more hateful and disparaging comments about things that are really none of your business. and 1:31 wow, how exactly are you going to remove us from the community? No secret that we support the covenants, that's why we purchased our property here. You don't see me commenting on anyone living in any particular area of Surfside so you should not either! If going anonymous were not allowed you wouldn't have the guts to post your threats and garbage comments.
Apparently the de Leest family has a jealous stalker. Who else would be fixated on one family? Smart move on their part to remain anonymous.
To 1:31: Removed by the community? Really? How exactly do you think that could happen? Does that mean if there is a candidate like Patrick who says there should be no covenants here we can remove them?
Patrick is more of a man than Fred or his wife will ever be. They are only hate and anger. Patrick was for all the members, not just the elite on J Place. Only covenant they support is the one to make people kill their trees. If they moved here because of the covenants, does that mean they will move away if they are changed? If I was them, I would hold off on any purchase.
Guts to post threats n garbage comments? Sounds like fred would have retribution in mind. There is a history.
Those that feel that others are "elite" are just plain jealous that they don't have the same.
Complaints are supposed to be filed by members, not just one individual. Do you think that there are 73 individuals out there each with a complaint, or just 2or 3 hungry for power? Would like to know,, by Street, where the violations are. How many do you think are on J Place? They should share in the complaints. I am sure we can find violations other than trees, but would Laura enforce. She knows who butters her bread!
Whatever happened to the Constitutional right to know your accuser? Each and every complaint and the name of the person filing that complaint should be available to each a very person affected by the complaint, it is a Constitutional right, not at the whim of the HOA, they are not a law making body. Make policy, OK, but violate the rights of the accused, NO!
Why should deleest get special treatment for her height variance. Is she not one to claim you knew the rules when you bought here. Except for her of course. Then she leads the charge on getting trees cut and her husband comes on here and claims its no ones business. Well pal she ran for the board and got special treatment it is everyone's business.
Mr. deLeest...The current mutation of the Tree Policy has evolved in its' language from protecting ridgetop views to being cloaked as a general height restriction. That you have financial means is great fortune and in itself no reason to be maligned, I agree. But promoting the merits of the policy IS elitist, and the policy, damaging to other member's private property.
The fact remains, that the policy only serves ridgetop owners' interests at the expense of owners to the west. Views are not in any way obstructed by trees below, and if the policy was done away with, that would not change. It should not be surprising that elitism breeds contempt.
The community is intended to be fairly and equitably administered, but has a proud tradition of NOT doing so. The Tree Policy is the key to this imaginary class structure, and the privileges some owners feel they deserve, even at the pain and expense of others.
The Policy needs to be eliminated, allowing for individual appeals regarding neighbor trees, with an on-site determination as to whether "views" are obstructed or not. I think we would see not more than a handful of trees cut annually. This policy serves no one in the final analysis, but maintains a false elite, and in so doing, creates needless conflict and pain.
This is a private property matter and opposition is not driven by jealousy. That is a smug elitist attitude as well.
It is interesting that you defend this policy so, and have denuded an entire hillside on the property you intended to build, which will contribute to community flooding, another serious problem that Surfside refuses to address or cooperate with the County to solve.
Can anyone tell me at the beginning when the Covenants were first drawn up, what was the basis used to structure the tree heights in Surfside? Does anyone really know the answer ?
Excellent point! I see several of our members making good money off lawsuits against the association in the near future.
4:33pm, your comment is well founded. I am not a Lawyer, but I do know this, a VIEW is not included in your purchase of property, that alone means the covenant on tree heights is illegal and would not stand up in court.
Russ, they've kept their position by repeatedly stacking the deck, making the covenants the exclusive province of the Board, then hand selecting the Board members.
I agree, this whole situation will not stand up. Almost wished I lived on the west side, good income potential.
Who ever is dumping there tree trimmings on the beach I hope you get caught. there are three piles one on the Oysterville approach and two more just tom the south of it. you are a despicable person.
@ 958, they might be despicable, but they are keeping their trees properly trimmed like all of us should be.
It's the Mexican tree trimmers. They cut your trees then charge you to haul the branches away, then they dump where ever they can for free. Lucky it's only tree branches, that goes away with little disturbance to the wild life.
I think the last comment is uncalled for and racist. I saw a white guy a few years ago doing the same and called the sheriff but doubt anything happened. Bad people come in all stripes.
Why so quick to call racism? Pc programmed much? Im offended by the white guy comment. Both were just descriptive comments. You, made it racist.
The white guy was Russian lol
What utter crap.
YOU are despicable for making smart ass comments about an issue that's affecting our members negatively. Which Board member or lackey is this again?
To blame an irresponsible act on a racial group with no evidence whatsoever is asinine AND racist. You wouldn't make the comment if you didn't want to offend, so take your bad intentions elsewhere.
Guess white people try to stick to embezzlement and fraud for big stakes. White-collar crime is more respectable, right ?
Patrick for all members. Bull.
Bought his property knowing full well the trees were over height and did nothing until he got a complaint.
Submitted plans for a tiny home, sorry I meant "shed", then changed them which is against the rules. Then instead of first appealing the complaint against him he went running to a lawyer instead.
When he found out that he couldn't put in a septic because of the close proximity to the canal he tried to change that rule also.
Every issue he championed was for his own self interested. It might align with yours but it doesn't change the fact that his motives were just as selfish as you accuse others of being.
9:45. The reason for you not knowing is to avoid retaliation. Why do you need to know anyways? All that matters is if the complaint is valid or not. That's how an HOA works. The Constitutional right you have is the freedom to purchase elsewhere.
9:56: As was mentioned your fixation on the de Leest family borders on psychotic. The variance request is no different then what has been given to others. To say it is special treatment is only your bias opinion based on some sort of hate.
To 10:20;
Denuded an entire hillside? That's a new one. What were they suppose to do, build between trees? What do you call what they did when they built your little condo?
10:00 - utter crap.
Which Board member are you? You seem to think you know a lot about this situation.
Why keep banging on Patrick? Got bored banging on Hillary and moved to this? Your campaign of anger and vilification worked, he's gone. Another low for our Association.
I don't really care for examples of other HOA's since we know this one is not working. The ability to face your accuser is a key to American jurisprudence. Almost hope I'd be picked on, because there will be good money to be made in this lawsuit.
The point 10:04, is that the lot was cleared, but the lot was rejected as the deLeest's building location. It's a very steep lot and will contribute to the wastewater woes that challenge the HOA to find solutions. The county has installed large storm drains on I st, but runoff still causes flooding in some areas.
Living trees and bushes absorb much of the rainwater and help drainage. The remaining lot makes a raggedy spectacle for everyone to live with.
10:00....Maybe you're not too good at math. The point that was made at 9:41 was that the "issue" did not merit 2 years of harassment and legal costs of over $100,000, when a variance could have been granted, and a warning to be fully approved in future projects, would have sufficed.
In spite of the large bank account member fees provide, it makes no sense to be unwilling to negotiate resolution in some instances. Patrick held that County standards allow the small porch, which is true. His attorney tried to schedule mediation at a cost of about $100, and the BOT refused to meet and settle out of Court. They ended up withdrawing the case at a total loss of funds.
Patrick sold his property, and the new owner sawed the porch floor off, and dumped it haphazardly in the bushes a few feet away. The roof still has the overhang, which is structurally unsupported. So what was gained by this relentless enforcement action and vast waste of money ? Now a mess lies in the bushes where a nice shed stood, not bothering anyone. Sheds are like that. They pretty much keep to themselves.
4/26 @ 9:43 AM the Board does not stack the deck with hand picked new trustees. The 15% of us who vote do that. Quit spouting garbage. It only goes to reinforce the yellow journalism of MANY posts here.
Nice try 8:04, not a board member. To your banging comment, I didn't bring Patrick up on this tread, just responded to the person who did which I have to assume was you. What I stated is based on what I observed happened along with actual first hand conversations with your beloved Patrick.
To your hope to be picked on, do something that is warranted and maybe you can get your wish and see how much money you can make. Maybe you will be lucky enough to be able to sign your dues check over to yourself. Tell you what, I have an offer for you. Post your name and address and I'll make a complaint against you and will even let you know who I am. Then what? You going to come up to my property to "talk". Let's see how that goes.
The cowards who write tree complaints and the cowards that investigate, never go out on Saturday or Sunday. What are they afraid of? I am sure the criminal low life violators would like to talk with them. Tell them to their face that they need to kill their trees, and do it right now or be fined and sued. Explain to them that they knew the covenants when they bought here. Tell them it is about safety and not an elite view. Disgusting.
Wow, you are some piece of work.
It's not their job to tell people anything, just measure the trees and determine if the complaint is valid. That's the job of the office. What does the day of the week have to do with anything? So are you saying that if a complaint is made against you and ladies or Raymer show up to measure your going to be less than civil towards them? Go ahead then be prepared for a visit from the deputy, if you're lucky.
You can continue to call those on the committee what you want but cowards doesn't apply. They put up with more crap from you big, brave anonymous keyboard warriors than you ever could.
That is garbage.
More threats from the ruling junta. Now bring the deputy to your foolishness? Priceless!
Neighbor based complaint systems do not work. There are too many personalities involved, Too many personal agendas, like we are seeing now, J placer.
Travis has no authority to enforce shoa policies. Nor will he. I asked.
I feel very sorry for the deLeest's and the Old's. They are getting picked on by a bunch of jealous people. If I was them, I would say to hell with all of you, and quit everything. Resign from the board and committee. That would show them as everything would fall apart. I knew the covenants when I moved here, and I expect to be kept in line so that I will be a good member. We need good people like them to tell us what to do, otherwise, we would all continue to be law breaking criminals. I am jealous that I am not as good as they are or live in a fine home like them. We need fine people like them to keep us in our place. Sometimes we get a crazy notion that we are as good as everyone else and want to be treated fairly. -I am also jealous that they are so smart and I am so dumb.
5:36, What planet did you come from ??
Its called tongue in cheek. Heard of it?
Actually, its the Mexican landscapers that are turning in complaints for tall trees, they want the work.
Time to tune-up the chainsaw
all the complaining and yet the tree height covenant is still in effect. Until the covenant is changed all this is just fodder.
Since the Board holds all the cards on covenant change, I won't hold my breath.
53 new comments is just ridiculous. I am not stupid. The folks up on J Place have a little money, but if they were really rich they would be living in Gearheart, so don't be so intimidated. This is all from the Wizard of Oz. Behind that curtain is a silly man with a big voice. This isn't Kansas.
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