RV septic's a concern
Unlikely, high water use leaks will be billed
Area of pipe replacement
No need to replace pipe North of Oysterville Road
Mess continues with carbon treatment plant and location
Don't really know price per foot to replace AC pipe
Minutes submitted by April Garcia. The reference to "Rudd" is the Treasurer.
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23 comments:
This committee is a complete fiasco.
Also an embarrassment.
My impression is that they are doing the things the committee should be doing. But how is it that absolutely NO progress has been made in mitigating use and permitting on the Carbon Treatment Plant ? The "stop-work order" was issued last August I believe. They are saying it is unlikely the building to enclose the Plant is unlikely to be built this year.
That would suggest that there will be no holding pond, and maintenance and flushing the system will be compromised further. How can the Plant continue to operate with incomplete and improper maintenance ? Also, notice that Mr. Flood did not participate even by phone this time.
I disagree with a couple of things I read about in this that don't make since we paid to replace all the pipe now, not thirty years from now. The home owners north of Oysterville RD are not getting there monies worth.
The next thing we are singling out RV owners that have more that one lot having to have a meter on all lots. That is not fair to them as there are many homes with two lots or more that only have one metered service.
Flood has said he is going to run again for the board. Also, Clancy, Winegar and Olds.
You also need a real estate lawyer not just a local lawyer they don't have the knowledge
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They are not using the new flushing pond by the wells. They have run a new line back to the old filtration plant flushing pond and using that. Seems like they should have done that it the first place. They should have also built the new carbon treatment plant where they build the new water warehouse. Where was the planning?
The pipeline replacement has been debated at length as to the necessity of it, though it seems like a modernizing that will benefit the community in the longrun. It has been estimated it will be at least a ten year project, with a few years (4 ?) already past since the start of the project.
I don't think there has ever been any guarantee that all lines would be replaced. The project was started based on the assumption that the C/A pipe was failing, which has apparently been debunked. (That's the controversy). Line failure has since been determined to be the result of improper flushing procedures.
The HOA has no authority to prevent an owner with two adjoining lots from using just one metered source. I would presume that the discussion addresses adjoining lots of different owners sharing one metered water source, just to avoid the fairly modest cost of putting in a metered service on a single lot. The HOA has allowed owners to opt out of the mandatory meter installation, with the expectation that owners won't take undo advantage of a community resource.
I do see a problem with not allowing the HOA to charge for excessive waste or use of water. There are many properties that have substantial leaks, and the Water Dept. tracks this very accurately. We had a serious leak and had no clue anywhere, except the meter ran all of the time. Our pressure was not diminished either. We spent $1500 tracking down the leak and repairing it. It is irresponsible for owners to ignore Water Dept. reminders that repairs are needed. For such owners, only fines and charges will prompt them to make the necessary repairs, the right thing to do for the community.
Kirby Smith, former Trustee, is an excessive user and has threatened the HOA with legal action if they try and charge him for that excess use. 2 people live at his residence, but he irrigates about an acre of land he has in lawn, having violated the County's restrictions on altering the dunes and development. The State has required a conservation plan in Surfside, so we should question why there is any hesitation to keep the plan in place.
Fyi:
The water mains north of Oysterville Rd. are Asbestos Concrete Pipe but the quality of the pipe placed back then is far superior in wall thickness and pressure rating than the Junk that was installed and abused south of Oysterville Rd.
I would think that this pipe North of Oysterville Rd would last at least another 30 years. The only real work needed North of Oysterville Rd would be the replacement of the 4" pipes and fixing the dead ends and completing loops and adding fire hydrants every 600 to 800 feet.
Simple fix for loop north of Oysterville Road is to just loop back down I Street. No need to buy land for right of way in front of the condo's on G street. Was that good planning? Was this your idea Bob, or a Bill Neal thing?
Re: March 22, 2019 at 12:57 PM
What Bill is planning is what I had planned to do 10 years ago Pending the Condo's written agreement that died after I was removed.
The problem now is that the project costs are just getting out of hand!
10:26 I hope that is a very bad joke. Those three are probably the only ones that could make the Board even worse than it is now. Besides, I believe Mr Clancy has a position as a County Commisioner in mind.
Has this HOA never hired a water system engineering consulting firm to assess our water system and propose options for design and construction, to design our system, or to design our system and manage the construction?
Fyi. Kirby also threatened to sue the hoa because he was expected to comply with the cross connection program Requirements that he signed off on, n got the first cross connection coordinator let go without cause after a very good review. His release date was set, then release date was then moved up so hoa not have to pay unemployment. Thats the type of people still running the show, on bot or not.
Time an again while on and off the Board, I requested an analysis of the condition of the AC pipe to prove that it needed to be replaced. It was finally promised to me by Bill Neal, but never happened. "show me the proof". Spending a million dollars of member money deserves proof. At the very least, a study could identify priority areas. Now they are replacing pipe in divisions 14 and 15 (compactor neighborhood) with no proof and it is newer pipe. Only breaks here were at dead end of main line, due to pressure surges (water hammer). This disgusting mess needs to be cleaned up.
How does a prior poster know that Kirby violated dune and/or mean high tide regulations when he created his back yard? And I would urge you to walk on the top of the beach trails and view all the other homeowner's who have done the same thing. Dozens and dozens of cheaters if that is the case. Modifying has been and is still legal if the County has been informed and our on board with your revisions.
The houses in the area of 322nd both north and south come to mind.
Yes, cheaters who think the rules do not apply to them. They did this without permits or county approval. Check tax sifter and you will see that Kirby and others did not get a permit. That is proof. Kirby fought even getting the proper back flow valve that was required because of his sprinkler system. He publicly stated that the association could sue him, and this was while he was a board trustee. He and Hanson filed a complaint against Patrick's shed roof extension. Kirby is more than a cheater, he is also a hypocrite. He has no honor or integrity.
There are not "dozens and dozens". I have scanned the area as you say, and your comment is false. While owners of "mean-tide" properties own to the beach, no development is allowed east of that high tide point for about 250 ft. In terms of altering the ridge of dunes for views, it is not legal. Where dunes have been altered, the sand was just pushed higher elsewhere.
We're talking about a massive amount of material that builds constantly, and there is nowhere to put it. Many truckloads would need to be removed to make a dent. Where would it be dumped ? The seagrass is very tenacious, is difficult to mow, and must be entirely removed to replace with lawn. We're talking thousands of dollars spent to do what is forbidden.
But Kirby displays the same attitude that allowed the dumping and burying of asbestos pipe. It's the very outdated notion that out in the country you just bury bad stuff, and do what you want.
5:23...At the 2016 Surfside Annual Meeting, the rep from the County stated that the regulations preventing development from going beyond a set distance (500 ft. of meantide ?) or altering the dunes, is State Law. So the statement that Kirby and others secured permits from the County is bullsh*t.
I asked SHOA via email why the 2016 and 2017 final Annual Member Meeting Minutes weren't posted to the website.
The Business Manager misplaced the 2016 AMM Minutes. She posted those Friday, yesterday. 03/23 11:30 AM, do you mind sending the language from that meeting to George and I will ask SHOA to update the minutes with that language.
In terms of the 2017 AMM Minutes, she's in the process of getting a missing BOT Member signature then she will post those minutes.
Anyone else notice they want to now hire a water helper?
Where are we getting this money from? This was not stated in new budget.
What about compliance person? Did they hire one yet?
I'm curious of any of the surfside water employees attended the WOW (water operators of Washington) conference in ocean shores this week?
With expenditures on legal advice and counsel in the last year surely approaching a couple of hundred thousand dollars, including a long list of fines, hiring a needed employee is a refreshing use of funds. So long as April is a part of decision-making at the Water Dept., we have at least one rational person whose judgement can be trusted.
That's just your opinion it don't mean squat
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